There are entire societies whose members lack fortitude to be responsible for themselves, to make good choices. How many addicts have you known who reason thusly: "I have an illness. It consists in that I lack willpower to make good decisions. Since I cannot change and need help, I am entitled to help, and you are required to provide it. IOW, since I lack will, you must not interfere with my will." At some point, this "reasoning" morphs and becomes: "I have superior will. It is the will to make bad decisions. There is nothing you can do about it. Therefore, you must indulge me, or I will hurt myself and hurt you while I'm at it."
What we have with Islam is a similar situation. Islamists show little desire to advance philosophically beyond the seventh century, because Allah taught everything that one needs in the Koran. We have entire societies that are banned from many forms of entertainment. Their women tend to be kept even more uneducated, in the dark, often mutilated, largely dependent. Assume you're born in a society where the heat is unbearable, everyone is watching to see if you violate any religious strictures, most entertainment is forbidden, and you are encouraged to read, if at all, only one book. Well, you're probably going to be a little unbalanced and looking for a cause. Now add that those who run some of these societies are made fabulously rich. (By us!) Rich enough to buy western politicians and fund jihad at far, ignorant reaches of the globe. IOW, now we're paying throwbacks to try to bring the entire world down to their level. Sort of like spending all your money to pay a resident addict of religion, drugs, or alcohol to make everyone miserable, because the only will the addict has is the will to make bad decisions.
This is what we finance, empower, and humor. Whether or not Korans are burned, this globular malady is worsening. Whatever leaders are doing, it is insanely ineffectual. Bloomberg is doing evil.
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In effect, children in Dar al Islam may as well be raised by the State. Parents have little power to balance against State run social madness. This is why Hillary (It Takes a Village) and Obama (my individual salvation depends on our collective salvation) are so very dangerous to ordinary decency. Notwithstanding gales of collectivism, America, so far, has not lost all semblance of respect for the family values that are essential to serve as bulwark against those who believe they are entitled to be completely "cared for" by the collective.
@K.W. said, "When it comes to Islam, the West is like a battered spouse. Instead of putting the blame where it belongs and dealing with the issue appropriately, we take the attitude that it is somehow our fault and if only we had done things differently they wouldn't want to hit (kill) us."
Yes! Addicts build up tolerances that would kill most people. They seem to be saying: If you learn to tolerate Islamic men, dhimminization won't be so bad. Isn't that what most femimen and Islamic women say? So, how much more advice is America going to take from its femimen?
3rd worlder said: "Stop right there! Islam is not even a religion."
Yup. Religion has to do with that which one believes about the Source of mysteries of life. A hegemonic system that deals in force (death to apostates, dhimminization for infidels, duty to spread by violence) is not one which deals in belief. Indeed, to believe is not to know, so belief entails a bit of apprehension or doubt. I wonder what would be the likely result of asking an Islamist whether he does, or ever should, doubt? Bottom line: forced belief is faux and abusive belief (having been forced, could you know whether otherwise you would have come to believe?).
Force does not equate to belief; forced or cajoled profession does not equal religion. If anything should be politically incorrect or hate speech, it should be the tyranny of forcing adults to pretend or profess a belief they never have been permitted to question. More often, force simply rationalizes abuse. A state established "religion" is an abusive abomination, a pretext for religion, a solecism, even if a popular one. If an adult's dignity is not respected enough to indulge to come to believe a concept of one's own will, so that one professes the concept only upon allowing some other person or entity to substitute its will, then the concept is not one's belief, but only one's refuge from otherwise continued abuse.
Is all this advocacy against burning Korans based on reason, or is it based on emotion? Obviously, it's based on fear of upsetting Muslims' feelings. So why has the Left never considered it as valid reasoning to avoid upsetting Christians' feelings? (Such as by promoting a victory mosque, or funding the public display of Pi** Christ works of "art" ... with taxes largely paid for by Christians? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ) Do not these events speak jarringly, loudly and clearly that the Left is primarily animated by feelings and wannas, rather than by reason? Insofar as the Left clearly consists largely of femimen and infants, how much longer should we continue to value their advice or "reasoning"? In a dangerous world, is it wise to let infants rule? Do other nations either respect or fear our left-minded femi-leaders?
What would happen if Korans were burned? Would counter displays be made for burning Bibles? Would that get at least a few Muslims to consider whether their actions were based in principle or in emotion? Yes, it would incite hotheads. But would it incite at least some Muslims to think beyond their emotions? So far, it is only the West that is expected to think at all. Cassius Clay (Ali) used similar intimidation against Liston. Liston went down.
I am nice to alcoholics, but not when they are midway through a bottle of vodka in a public place. Taken straight, the vodka quickly becomes a poison. There is much in Islam that is poison. I can welcome Muslims who respect a need to reform Islam, to interpret it so it can avail decent respect for near universal, civilizing norms. But I see no such effort. Instead, they are imbibing mind poison -- poison to be mixed and twisted in whatever mode is most conducive to each situation in order to increase the dominance of all who are addicted to the poison. I see no reason to welcome "moral" teaching in the style of Islam. It is a 180 degree affront to ordinary, decent, American values.
Today, I had to turn Shepard Smith off in disgust. He was panning to a scene where a mosque was being welcomed in a Christian neighborhood. He was pandering that Jesus would have approved of such a neighborly thing. Really? Jesus would have welcomed, approved, or blessed the teaching of methods of jihad? Is this some new Kool Aid Jesus? Is this MSM pablum for the great drooling mass of Epsilons? Why is Fox projecting this kind of insult? May it have something to do with strange investing bedfellows with Murdoch? Wth?
Nothing in the New Testament instructs believers to take it on themselves to spread the word of God by belittling, mutilating, lashing, stoning, or beheading. As for the Old Testament, ask: when was the last time you saw a Jew going door to door or doing anything of the like to proselytize?
Re: I like the line. "tolerating intolerance in the name of tolerance".
An addict friend admits she lacks will to make responsible choices. She has had numerous falling down concussions as a result of bad choices. And what does she "reason" from this? That I should not in any way interfere with her choices. Since she lacks will, her will should be respected. Since she is intolerant of our DWI laws, I should just let her drive DWI. This kind of extreme downhill moral racing is so common among collectivist and entitlement minded Leftists. For Islamists, the bottle of choice is dictatorial religion. Sweetest gurgling sound Obama ever heard. The man is insanely drunk on collectivism.
I saw some hack ask Obama whether it is frustrating as President to have to deal with exigencies caused by no-name small-time pastors. Well alrighty then, tell me this: What national leader has stepped up to the challenge in any effective or courageous way? When our "leaders" are femimen, unwilling to lead effective action, then who else can step up except no-name people, as in We The People?
Divide the New Testament, Old testament and the Koran each into 1000 random parts. Then have Beck, O'Reilly, and Hannity read a random segment of each, side by side, and have non-religious lexicographers give comparative factual analysis of the precise meaning for a 15 minute segment on each show, each week. Keep recycling until the comparison sets in even among the dullest. If we're bent on welcoming Islam as a "religion of peace," let's at least try to obtain minimal understanding of it.
Ignorance and fear are empowered by kowtowing to them, by insulting them, by closing eyes to them, by taking them seriously enough to try to reason with them, by hating them, by tolerating them. So what does not empower them??? Answer: Facing them down with superior power and will.
However, to have superior will, you need to stand for values and ideals. So, among Leftists and Bloomblers, ask: What are the values and ideals that they will defend with superior power and will? Answer: None, nada. Why? Because when you believe in nothing, that even the entire universe arose from the power of nothingness, then it is so much easier and financially rewarding to sell out.
Among us, there are (1) those who stand for good faith and good will, and there are (2) those who stand for nothing except personal entitlement, bling and convenience. We are at a tipping point where the second group stands poised to overwhelm us, permanently. To what will that deliver our children? Obumbler and Bloombler must go.
Nothing in the New Testament instructs believers to take it on themselves to spread the word of God by belittling, mutilating, lashing, stoning, or beheading. As for the Old Testament, ask: when was the last time you saw a Jew going door to door or doing anything of the like to proselytize? The point of Islam is world domination. If you haven't yet noticed jihad, it is because it comes in all varieties, each pertinent to a specific context. The ignorant, corrupt, and too worshipful of science tend simply to fail to see the need to defend against the poison of forcible mind domination over the collective until it is too late. When Islam does quicken, it will quicken without mercy.
Re: "Mo, who had no Jewish connections and no relationship to Judaism"
I rather doubt this (Mo was aware of the "people of the book").
Regarding pagan gods and pre-Islamic Allah, see Wikipedia - Muhammad: "In pre-Islamic Arabia, gods or goddesses were viewed as protectors of individual tribes, their spirits being associated with sacred trees, stones, springs and wells. As well as being the site of an annual pilgrimage, the Kaaba shrine in Mecca housed 360 idol statues of tribal patron deities. Aside from these gods, the Arabs shared a common belief in a supreme deity called Allah (literally "the god"), who was remote from their everyday concerns and thus not the object of cult or ritual. Three goddesses were associated with Allah as his daughters: Allāt, Manāt and al-‘Uzzá."
Re: "not everyone in the world believes in the superiority of democratic government"
This is true, but only in a trite way. Yes, we know there are those who believe in the free will and dignity of their fellows, and there are those who do not. There are those who believe we all stand valued before God, and there are those who believe, regardless of God, or notwithstanding lack of God, that they, by natural superiority, stand entitled by nature to rule.
Yes, civilization, through complacency, ignorance, or corruption, much more often than not, tends to fall victim to sociopathic, oligarchic rule. Part of this may be attributed to geography, genes, culture, or plain bad luck. Still, almost everyone shares in certain overriding traits, the main human trait perhaps being related to incredible capacity to model and communicate about the context of being ... IOW, the power to think and the need to become whomever one authentically seeks. That is, to communicate what one really believes, as opposed to what one calculates one must communicate in order to curry favor with mind police of despots who hold power over one's very survival.
Unless you can develop and communicate the thoughts and beliefs that really are your own, then you do not really own yourself. This pertains regardless of happenstance of clan or cult. To say "not everyone in the world believes in the superiority of democratic government" is in no way a worthy argument for supporting gestapo mind police running amuck for screaming religious tyrants.
Re: "The American federal government increasingly resembles a redistribution racket that is run by operatives who call themselves public servants."
Indeed. Would we wring our hands as much worrying how to reason with thugs of Capone:
Oh, Al, can't you see this is unfair? Yes, I don't want to be politically incorrect (or call your redistribution artists "brazen con artists seeking affirmative action for serpents of hell") or anything like that. I don't want to taunt you with hate speech or crimephobia. I know, I shouldn't be so emotional about it, and when I am, it will only inflame the peace lovers who work for you. That's my own fault. I know, you would be more reciprocating if only I would consent to give you the title to my house and the keys to the school for my children.
So taunting Al does not work. Neither does reasoning with Al, paying redistribution taxes to Al's politicians, protesting with hate mongering tea partiers against Al, building fences to slow down invasions by Al's drug carriers, or seeking honest elections. That's all counterproductive when applied against Al's minions. After all, we know from MSM that Al and his friends have been held down by The Man. So reparations must be paid ... indefinitely. In fact, there's nothing you can do. So quit your belly aching (abandon hope) and go out and make some more money so you can give it to Al. BTW, have you met Al's friend, Abdullah? Yeah, he's that fellow burning your bibles and flag. Don't try to stop him or reason with him. Cuz you deserve it.
@Concord Bridge said, "I would like to see some conservative candidates for congress tie the spread of Islam in the US to the petro dollars sent to the mid-east because of the energy policies of the Left."
Well, is Trump offering a higher price for the GZ property? If this is not about a victory mosque, then why is the offer not taken? Would any offer back jihadis off the chance to build a victory mosque? If Nazis in 1939 had wanted to build a museum dedicated to demonization of Jews, would we have said it's their right, or would responsible officials have imposed decent zoning controls concerning location? Assume the mosque is meant to be a victory mosque. Are our politicians so disinterested as not to care even were the evidence gathered for them? Why is this?
It's hard ro run for office without financial support. It's easier to obtain financial support when: you have no scruples about how to obtain financing; you have no scruples about who you sell out to; and you merely do the same bacon hunt that so many other of our pols do.
We have enriched Islamists. So they now have the money to bribe us, to get our pols to sell out our own country, to choke off our own energy production, and to send our industrial base overseas. We are promoting opportunistic charlatans. We have promoted a culture that values finances and bling over all other values. There is little interest in MSM to expose this, because those who own MSM have also already sold out. So long as we remain ignorant, we become more and more owned ... by the most morally filthy of the corrupt. Meantime, our colleges are teaching ... what?
@Fulghum Ink is definitely onto something. Barbqued koranic pork and koran barbqued buffalo wings. Mmm mmm mmm. This needs to be made a tailgating custom. I'm ordering korans now, for my next family barbque.
Koran barbque may fill an entertainment void in deprived societies. We have entire societies that are banned from most forms of entertainment. Their women tend to be kept even more uneducated, in the dark, often mutilated, largely dependent. Assume you're born in a society where the heat is unbearable, everyone is watching to see if you violate any religious strictures, most entertainment is forbidden, and you are encouraged to read, if at all, only one book. Well, you're probably going to be a little unbalanced and looking for a cause. So why not start a trend and barbque with the koran? It's bound to get your neighbors pumped!
Now consider that those who run some of these societies are made fabulously rich. (By us!) Rich enough to buy western politicians and fund jihad at far, ignorant reaches of the globe. IOW, now we're paying throwbacks to try to bring the entire world down to their level. Sort of like spending all our money to pay resident addicts of religion, drugs, or alcohol to make everyone miserable, because the only will the addict has is the will to make bad decisions. This is what we finance, empower, and humor. Whether or not Korans are burned, this globular malady is worsening. Whatever leaders are doing, it is insanely ineffectual. Nothing else works to enlighten Muslims. So, why not try some good old down home American style enlightenment: Koran barbques!
I saw a new word today: offendaphobia. Various powers compete to see which can best instill fear so that others will not confront them. Among Leftists, this is accompanied with epithets of racist, bigot, etc. This works very well against weak minds and egos, so the Left has been doing it for it seems like eternity. It also inhibits Leftists from growing up. But scorn and ridicule do work among peers. A toddler who wilfully resists parents' attempts to transition him beyond the diaper stage will transition quite suddenly when confronted with ridicule of his peers. Indeed, if his peers ridiculed going diaperless, he would never transition. Of course, the Left is not the only group to have learned the advantages of instilling offendaphobia. That technique has long been a fundamental tactic among Islamists. Obviously, when we knuckle under to offendaphobia, we reinforce and extend its further deployment. Once a group of toddlers has found a way to assert power over producing adults, why should they ever be dissuaded from giving it up based on mere reason? They have before them all the reason they need: their tactic works. Talking reason to radical Islamists is like giving spinach to Popeye. Let's see: Reason doesn't work. Ignoring the problem doesn't work. Humoring and rewarding the problem doesn't work. Shouting doesn't work. I wonder what works?
Winston Churchill: "If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
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