Regarding The God Particle

From A.T. --
@RickK, Re: "Dlanor, So you're saying only conscious beings can add complexity to a system?"

That's interesting, even though I had not quite said or contemplated that. I suppose random complexity may be added when you have a system of limiting parameters wherein components are subjected to a continuous directional force or energy. (Aside: what or who would be the author of such a continuous directional force?)

Note that since matter is stored energy, and energy can be conceptualized as a kind of substance, the broader concern should probably more properly be labeled one of substantialism rather than of materialism. Regardless, the terms are often used loosely and interchangeably. I think you are saying that energy is independent of consciousness and that in such independent capacity energy can add complexity. I have not much considered that, perhaps because I am not confident that energy in fact is independent of consciousness. This gets down to trying to understand what is the character of consciousness at its ultimate or finest point.

Key may be in considering what could be the other side of the concept of energy, as in: what is pure energy? If the ultimate building block is qualitative consciousness rather than quantitative mass, another key may be in considering: what is the ultimate character of consciousness?

If consciousness is more qualitative than quantitative, then it may be better approached with intuitive adducements than with pure reliance on empiricism. This is sort of like the query of how everything material could arise out of nothing that is material, except that I carry it further: If everything material could arise out of nothing that is material, then why could not everything that is material be considered to continue in interactive respect of nothing that is material? That is not to say that it is nothing, but only to say that it is qualitative rather than quantitative, sort of like free will and moral choosing.

Edwin Klingman, who, I assure you, is adept with logic, math, computing, and physics, has detailed some interesting ways of considering this. He has summarized much in a short book, The God Particle. Although short, I would be hard pressed to summarize it here. However, an important taste may consist in this: There may be "particles" or perspectives of consciousness, as condensate from a field of consciousness. Although they have some fine, innate level of will (like a selfish gene?), their capacity for expressing intelligence evolves with their capacity to self organize ("conscious design"). The eternal field from which such organizations of conscious condensate are derived may be conceptualized as an aspect of "God."


I would defer to Klingman's book. However, it seems straightforward to apprehend the idea that consciousness is perhaps the only non-trivial aspect of being of which we can have direct knowledge. Why is this important? Because it avails a basis for conceptualizing free will as a part of reality, and a basis for intuiting a source for connecting and reconciling such perspectives. That is, if you and I are perspectives of but one field, then there is hope we can learn better to draw on that in order to reason our way towards reconciling empathies and interests. The stance of materialistic reduction, on the other hand, seems not especially suited to assimilating a willingness to reason together in respect of a real and higher field of reconciliation.

I don't mean to suggest there aren't empirical aspects to Klingman's hypothesis. Insofar as notions about slices of the field, many aspects of his ideas are as empirical, testable, and reliable as the Standard Model, but with a virtue the Standard Model lacks: a basis for considering moral expressions of free will to be part of reality, rather than mere convenience of pretense.

Re: "As for consciousness - if you're so unable to state what it is, how can you be so confident about how it can and can't arise?"

I don't think consciousness itself arises. I just think it is. I think perspectives of it condense, couple, and organize.