Saturday, October 11, 2008

DIVORCING GOD



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DIVORCING GOD

OF PHYSICS, MORALITY, AND GOD (IS AND OUGHT):


Compare http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_re_eu/eu_sweden_nobel_physics;_ylt=Ao_XIYvhrdA_qqFQU5vwlXUUewgF: "Spontaneous broken symmetry conceals nature's order under an apparently jumbled surface. It has proved to be extremely useful, and Nambu's theories permeate the Standard Model of elementary particle physics."




“IS” --- PHASING REALITY:

To appreciate or perceive a particular or holographic pattern of “physics,” one’s expression of Will must become so attuned and sensitive as to be receptive to such appreciation or perception.

To will to attune to any perspective of patterns (or of holography) is to will, artificially, to insulate oneself apart from A Holism of Being, which necessarily renders any particular-based-perspective incomplete, as well as subject to instantaneous phase conversion upon each change of perspective or attunement.

In coming to experience a perspective, as one senses any single pattern or thing, one will, alternately, sense such thing (1) from a perspective of particularity and (2) from a perspective of holism.

One may sense or measure a thing (1) as being particularly emerged or expressed out of its environment, and one may sense such thing (2) as a sub-holism out of which other particular things are expressed (or cross-reacted with).

While one is focused and intent to appreciate a pattern from a perspective of particularity, one will be so defining oneself in such relation, so that one will not then and there be appreciating such pattern from a perspective of significantly greater holism, and vice versa.

Each perspective one experiences or chooses coordinates with an interpretation of reality, which collapses in a way consistent with reinforcing each such perception. Each such interpretation is “real” to one’s experience, but is not a complete model of The Reality exterior to one’s perspective.

Based on logic availed to our empiricism, a mortal perspective-of-reality may not, at the same time and place, accurately know or measure both (1) the particular reality of its perception and (2) the holistic reality that subsumes its perspective. In part, this is consistent in that, apart from at least the potential for an interpreting perspective of spiritual Will, there is NO SUCH PHYSICAL REALITY.

As one measures light as a particle, one will not be measuring it as a wave; and vice versa.

One cannot, with completely coherent consistency, measure a thing in simultaneous space (location) and time (direction of change), from both a perspective of particularity and from a perspective of greater holism.

One cannot, merely by continuously subdividing things, reach or comprehend an ultimate particle or a complete model for explicating everything.

Nevertheless, by practicing in attuning and measuring in respect of, and across, various perspectives and models, one may come to appreciate an ever-expanding and/or changing universe of ambiguities and possibilities.

Therewith, one may gain vision, insight, intuition, judgment, and skill. Therewith, one may artfully ever-engage in one’s choices and appreciation of Will.

For that, no single science or course of study will yield “the correct answer.” But, a variety of approaches may enhance one’s artistically skilled appreciation of paths for pursuing fulfillment.

“OUGHT” --- INSPIRING MORAL CHOICES WITHIN SOCIAL REALITY:

We have no way to make our interpretations or physical measurements “more perfect or complete,” merely by rationalizing arbitrary notions or blends of notions, such as notions of “part-wholes” or of “particle-waves.” Rather, it is beyond our mortal comprehension or mathematics to devise any synthesizing model that could yield a complete, coherent, consistent interpretation of physical reality.

Perhaps, however, we may enhance alternative, hyper, virtual ways of interpreting, which may lead us to experience different perspectives of holographies of our common holism. In any event, no one model and no blend of models avails a reliably complete interpretation of any non-trivial event.

Such problem of incompleteness pertains to every model or perspective we may choose, and is not confined only to our physical reality. Rather, such problem also permeates our intangible, conceptual, conscious reality. Such problem applies when we try to blend concepts of: psychology with sociology, or individual enterprise with community goals, or capitalism with socialism.

In considering a number of different models or perspectives, we may enhance our humility, insight, vision, intuition and emotional appreciation. In such way, we may better inspire choices, even though mere logic or math can never prove that any one choice was ultimately morally “better” than any other.

In relation to where our civilization is presently, “socialistic-capitalism” may be descriptive of what we have chosen --- consciously or unconsciously. Yet, no such concept of “socialistic-capitalism” will necessarily be a better or higher form --- either of socialism or of capitalism.

We are in a passing phase. Our appreciation of it may be enhanced were we to become more receptive to spiritual humility and intuition that avails from a variety of perspectives.

Make choices we must. One such choice may be to appreciate how no zealous notion of communism, socialism, or humanism can replace the enlightened empathy that can be received in common, spiritual, humility before “God.”

Whether we label our secular political philosophy as communism, socialism, capitalism, humanism, scientism, or as some blend thereof, what is most important to our humane, enlightened empathy is that we appreciate our spiritual interconnection, which devolves from a myriad of ambiguous possibilities of Will.

In single-minded prodigal-zeal, divorced from God-empathy, there lurks the blind evil that ever-challenges our forgiveness.

GOD: SOURCE-GAIA

None of even the most fundamental of broken symmetries and patterns of physics that we perceive exists, except in derivative respect of our Source of common receptivity and sensitivity to such patterns.

Intuitively, other universes, holographies, and fundamental patterns also exist, perhaps not in relation to our mortal capacity to perceive, but in relation to a Source of common capacity of other expressions of Will to perceive.

Whatever the commonality connecting all beings with capacity to perceive such patterns as are amenable of appearing to them, no physical pattern would exist were it not for the potential of beings, in some sense, to relate to them. As such transcendent Source of potential departs, diminishes, or devolves, so also does such physics depart, diminish, or devolve.

So, what is IT, which in common with all potential expressions of perspectives of Will, avails us with potential to perceive any manner or form of physics? Without IT, our seemingly infinite physics would devolve instantly to nothingness.

May we, as expressions of ITs Will, guided by common empathy, logic, and non-physical mathematics, in some direct way, in appreciation of, yet beyond appearance or sensation of physics, rationally hope to sense or intuit aspects of ITs interpenetrating presence, purpose, and priorities?

As we sense common consciousness in one another of patterns around us, may we also intuit, in enlightened empathy, a participating Author of such consciousness, beyond our common patterns of physics? Aside from some degree, however minute, of conscious respect for God, would not all of any particular universe, holography, or mortal perspective be perfectly trivial?


8 comments:

Anonymous said...

Among prospects for Community Organizers, what character traits are sought or prized, if not traits for broadcasting blame against one’s country for not having provided all that to which one felt (by greed?) entitled?

Anonymous said...

SCIENCE, as well as anything else, MAY AFFORD “REASON TO BELIEVE” or to intuit regarding a Source of interconnecting empathy (aka, “God”):


If something can be modeled, explained, or predicted empirically and reliably, such an explanation may be said to be a “natural” or “physical” explanation.

If something cannot be explained, or cannot yet be explained, the lack of an explanation may be adduced to something supernatural, for which no human explanation is possible, or to something for which no natural explanation has yet been explicated.

By definition, “science” looks to and for natural, measurable explanations; by definition, the subject of the supernatural is beyond precise, empirical, or scientific comprehension.
Thus, there is little reason to discuss God when teaching science.

This is not to say that there is no God.
For all we know, what evolves as natural, physical, and mathematically or functionally measurable or predictable may present only by grace of “God’s thinking.”

Suppose God exists as “holistic substance,” beyond relative measure or description of any non-holistic or human perspective.

Suppose such substance “thinks” (perhaps in overlapping and cascading unconsciousness, subconsciousness, consciousness, or intentionality), in pure, mathematically functional terms.

That is, suppose all of what appears to be “physics” emerges to our compartmentalized, perspectivistic, receptive, sensitive experience not in respect of any physically measurable thing(s) in itself, but in respect of God’s purely mathematical thoughts.

If so, would not the following seem true or likely: Some essence(s) or events will remain beyond reliable mathematical modeling; no ultimate “God-particle” (or Higgs boson will be found); the notion of “evolution,” as a “holistic explanation,” will remain self referentially defining, tautological, or trivial; belief regarding God will remain beyond science or mathematical proof; and intuition regarding an empathetic “God” (or referential basis for civilizing mores) will, “self-evidently,” remain a referential basis for civilizing mores.

AT BOTTOM:

Science cannot be used to “physically evidence” likelihood or proof of God.

So, it tends to be distracting, to ask students of science to try to use science to “physically evidence” likelihood or proof of God.

Yet, SCIENCE, as well as anything else, MAY AFFORD “REASON TO BELIEVE” or to intuit regarding a Source of interconnecting empathy.
“All of nature” need not consist in math and only math.

Rather, ultimately, “all that presents to our perspectives and experience” may be derivative of “God Thinking In Mathematical Functions.”

In other words, in self-referential support for civilizing mores, it seems “reasonably rational” to rationalize about an interconnecting, empathetic “God.”

After all, in respect of What Else could our everyday and interconnecting potentialities, patterns, parameters, choices, changes, and physics arise?

Anonymous said...

Snippets from http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081106/us_time/whygaymarriagewasdefeatedincalifornia:

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A symbolic low point for the gay side came on Oct. 13, when the Sacramento Bee ran a remarkable story about Rick and Pam Patterson, a Mormon couple of modest means - he drives a 10-year-old Honda Civic, she raises their five boys - who had withdrawn $50,000 from their savings account and given it to the pro-8 campaign. "It was a decision we made very prayerfully," Pam Patterson, 48, told the Bee's Jennifer Garza. "Was it an easy decision? No. But it was a clear decision, one that had so much potential to benefit our children and their children."

You could argue that marriage equality has little to do with children, but Patterson seemed to speak to Californians' inchoate phobias about gays and kids. On the Friday before the Bee story appeared, a group of San Francisco first-graders was taken to city hall to see their lesbian teacher marry her partner. Apparently the field trip was a parent's idea - not the teacher's - but the optics of the event were terrible for the gay side. It seemed like so much indoctrination.

That news came around the same time the pro-amendment forces were running a devastating ad showing a self-satisfied San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom shouting wild-eyed at a rally that same-sex marriage was inevitable "whether you like it or not." The announcer then said darkly, "It's no longer about tolerance. Acceptance of gay marriage is now mandatory." Many fence sitters were turned off by Newsom's arrogance; blogger Andrew Sullivan attributed mid-October polls against the gay side to the "Newsom effect."

Anonymous said...

Comment by Dlanor, at http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/hindus_jews_and_jihad_terror_i.html:

jr ("I have pointed out the dramatic difference to folks between the teachings of Jesus and teachings of Mohammed. If one reads the gospels Jesus teaches to convert by the example of your life not by force.")

True enough. Jesus also taught enlightened tolerance, not self defeating tolerance. Jesus did not give us the New Testament as a suicide pact. Jesus debated with those who would reason; Jesus did not deem it necessary to condemn or address what should be obvious: that it is necessary to defend, where possible, against the animal brutality of those who only emote.

I am all for tolerating those who do me no harm and who return the favor. I oppose those who would annihilate the civilized life of the mind in order to replace it with Big Brother thought control. To tolerate that is to tolerate the not-very-Jesus-like obliteration of Christianity in order to replace it with Dictated Secular Religion.

Live free or die. One either learns that or one learns to stay with the other women of the porch.

Anonymous said...

Comment by Dlanor, at http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/false_pride_and_the_liberal_im.html:

David Fuhs,

Do you supoose Obama plays the part of malignant narcissist to Soros, his superior psychopath?

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Ranger Joe,

Thanks for the reference to Max Planck. I checked out some sites, at http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10298, and http://www.angelfire.com/folk/infidel/MaxPlanck.html, and http://www.brethrenassembly.com/Ebooks/NobelPr.pdf.

Some cursory second-guessers on some of those sites were prone to denigrate Planck, rather too quickly and arrogantly, I think.

One says “he [Planck] had not found support in mathematics”. Perhaps, but I suspect Planck intuited support in mathematics. I would be slow in conceiting to discount Planck’s intuition. I rather suspect Planck intuited a God-connection that is deeper, less confined, and not so one-on-one restricted as to coordinate only with perimeters or parameters of our skins.

Some, in FALSE PRIDE, seem too quick to use “either-or” logic to project to Planck a shallow interpretation of “miracles.” But, I see no logical or scientific reason to believe nature should preclude us from intuiting the “hand of God” as directing or synchronizing much of what we can only measure as “random.”

Apart from Mind of God, what in nature offers a better candidate, for imbuing us with enlightened purposefulness, empathy, remorse, or morality? To posit an “altruistic gene” is not to grasp the answer, but merely to push the inquiry further back, to ask: Why, then, should conditions avail for advantaging a gene of altruism? After all, a “gene for psychopathy” seems quite useful for many leaders.

Regardless, what matters it to us, empirically, whether “physics” “really” manifests in respect of Mind-of-God or in respect of some ubiquitous Metaphysical-Particle-In-Itself? Either way, empiricists’ “ultimate explanation,” punting only to “nature,” remains beset by the metaphysical.

I rather liked this of Planck: “All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force... We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.”

Personally, I suspect (or believe) Mind of God, by “thinking in mathematical functions,” is the superior mix from which all our measurable physics is derived. And that, perhaps by definition, is beyond empirical proof, but not beyond mathematical intuition.

Again, thanks for the references!

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Max Planck and the Mind of God:

See http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10298:

Quotes by Max Planck:

Religion belongs to that realm that is inviolable before the law of causation and therefore is closed to science.

The history of all times and nations teaches us that exactly in the naïve, unshakable belief, furnished by religion in active life of believers, originate the most intense motives for the most significant creative performance, not only in the field of arts and sciences but also in politics.

Under these conditions it is no wonder, that the movement of atheists (Gottlosenbewegung), which declares religion to be just a deliberate illusion, invented by power-seeking priests, and which has for the pious belief in a higher power nothing but words of mockery, eagerly makes use of progressive scientific knowledge and in a presumed unity with it, expands in an ever-faster pace its disintegrating action on all nations of the earth and on all social levels. I do not need to explain in any more detail that after its victory not only all the most precious treasures of our culture would vanish, but -- which is even worse -- also any prospects at a better future.

All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force... We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.

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See http://www.angelfire.com/folk/infidel/MaxPlanck.html:
Planck evidently understands the notion of god philosophically, not theologically.
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There is no better defense against such peril than to realize that religious symbol ... does never represent an absolute value but is always only a more or less imperfect reference to something higher which is not directly accessible to our senses.
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When the genius of Max Planck flung himself to simplification in explaining the essence of religion and its diversity – because that is the topic of previous paragraphs – he had not found support in mathematics and that is why, as it seems to me, he simplified the situation excessively.
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The one who takes his religion really seriously and cannot tolerate that it gets into contradiction with his knowledge (Wissen), is facing the question of conscience whether he can still honestly consider himself to be a member of religious community which in its confession (Bekenntnis) contains belief in miracles.
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So that believing scientists, if you agree with Planck, you should decide whether you will believe in miracles and will thus be excluded from the community of people "educated at least slightly in natural sciences", or you will not believe in them any more and you will not believe in resurrection of Christ either.
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Summarizing we can say that physical science requires an assumption of a real world independent of us, which we, however, never know directly but always only through the spectacles of perceptions of our senses and with the help of measurements mediated by them. (S. 19)
The undoubtable result of physical research consists in that elementary building elements of the world do not occur in isolated groups, lacking mutual relations, but they are all connected according to a uniform plan, or in other words, that in all natural processes a universal, to a certain extent knowable, regularity (Gesetzlichkeit) rules. (S. 20)
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Actually, the principle of the least action introduces into the notion of causality a new idea: causa efficiens, the cause which acts from the present into the future and due to which the later events look like conditioned by the earlier ones, is supplemented by causa finalis which, on the contrary, makes future, the desired goal, a precondition and from this it derives the course of processes leading to that goal. (S. 24)
... theoretical physical research has led in its historical evolution strikingly to formulation of physical laws which have definitely teleological character (S. 25)
In any case, we can say in summarizing, that according to what exact sciences teach us, the whole nature ... is governed by certain laws, which are independent of the existence of thinking humanity, but which nevertheless ... admit formulation which corresponds to a purposeful behavior. This then represents a rational world order (vernünftige Weltordnung), to which nature and mankind is subject, the actual essence of which is, and will remain unknowable for us, since we learn about it only by means of our specific sense perceptions (S. 25) ... Really rich results of scientific research, however, entitle our belief in ... steady deepening of our outlooks into the reign of allmighty reason (allmächtigen Vernunft) ruling over the nature. (S. 26)
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I would denote the vocabulary of those last paragraphs as careless. The author just proclaims the majority of his statements and gives no precise meaning to the notions he uses. He claims e. g that there is no contradiction between religion and science. Of course, if we identify god with natural laws and forbid him to do miracles, then we actually cannot expect any great contradiction. This statement could be much better understood in the sense that science and religion treat so disparate topics that they even cannot get into any contradiction perhaps as the history of ancient Rome cannot contradict the zoology of Amazon basin since they do not have a single object in common. But the statement that "they complement and condition each other" can nobody take for serious without hesitation. Mutual conditioning means that one cannot exist without the other. I could ironically concede that religion needs science in the sense that priests need television to transmit their masses and the television could not appear without the knowledge of properties of electromagnetic field, but I cannot imagine what could science need religion for.
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I have one essential objection against the whole lecture: the author was changing the contents of the title notion of religion in relatively broad span according to what just suited him. He began by characterizing religion as a bond of man to god, he warned listeners before the horrible fate facing the society without religion, but immediately he declared quite possible that god lives only in souls of believers. Then he expelled from religion the belief in miracles, pronounced god identical with natural laws and at last he ascribed god even the attributes of good and love. By this loose use of the fundamental notion of the religion he demonstrated that he has not even defined it unambiguously, which is rather unusual for a scientist.
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This lecture of Planck makes me deeply sad. The renowned theoretical physicist, who – among others – devised brilliant hypothesis about quantization of radiation emitted by a black body and so buried the "ultraviolet catastrophe" of James Jeans, humbles himself here for unknown reasons to the level of a country bumpkin whose brain is able to digest the single philosophical sapience: "god exists".
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The second possibility is that he felt the need to face the increasing inhumanity of Nazism and therefore he reached for an equivalent of morality understandable for the common people: religion, god.

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See http://www.brethrenassembly.com/Ebooks/NobelPr.pdf:
3. In his article Scientific and Religious Truth (1973) Heisenberg affirmed:
“In the history of science, ever since the famous trial of Galileo, it has repeatedly been
claimed that scientific truth cannot be reconciled with the religious interpretation of the
world. Although I am now convinced that scientific truth is unassailable in its own field, I
have never found it possible to dismiss the content of religious thinking as simply part of an
outmoded phase in the consciousness of mankind, a part we shall have to give up from now
on. Thus in the course of my life I have repeatedly been compelled to ponder on the relationship
of these two regions of thought, for I have never been able to doubt the reality of that to
which they point.” (Heisenberg 1974, 213).
4. “Where no guiding ideals are left to point the way, the scale of values disappears and with
it the meaning of our deeds and sufferings, and at the end can lie only negation and despair.
Religion is therefore the foundation of ethics, and ethics the presupposition of life.” (Heisenberg
1974, 219).

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CHARLES TOWNES – NOBEL LAUREATE IN PHYSICS:
2. “Science, with its experiments and logic, tries to understand the order or structure of the
universe. Religion, with its theological inspiration and reflection, tries to understand the
purpose or meaning of the universe. These two are cross-related. Purpose implies structure,
and structure ought somehow to be interpretable in terms of purpose.

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IRREDUCIBLE COMPLEXITY:
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee_i_j1U6ic.

Fibonacci in Lateralus:
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS7CZIJVxFY&feature=related.

Anonymous said...

THINKING MAKES IT SO:

Hamlet Act 2, scene 2, 239–251 :
Why then 'tis none to you; for there is nothing either good or
bad, but thinking makes it so. To me it is a prison.

QUESTION: Of what are separate perspectives of consciousness derived?

HOLISM is myself subsumed into all of Being’ness.
HOLOGRAPHY is what I sense of the rest of Being’ness, APART from my perspective of myself.

Each perspective of holography, being apart from holism, is incomplete, made so by its own definition.
Being incomplete, each perspective is necessarily less than entirely consistent and coherent, but flits from focus to focus, collapsing perspectives, but not reality.

I do not “approach” Holistic God.
I merely relate to God from different flits of perspective, in respect of differently sequencing metaphors, models, and holographies.

One can choose to look at one’s place in the universe in indifference, or in awe.
If in awe, one can look in fear or love, or at evil or good.
One may choose to interpret as if all of experience were evil, mostly evil, evenly evil and good, mostly good, or all good.

When one interprets goodness, one may ask: Goodness in respect of WHAT?
To considerable extent, one’s conscious choice of attitude carries self-fulfilling properties.

Thinkers may unite to facilitate civilization;
Or, Anti-Thinkers will unite to impose anti-civilization.

Thinkers need not instigate crusades, for crusades will come to them, as Anti-Thinkers, subordinate to Mind-Slavers, instigate anti-crusades. Had Charles the Hammer not withstood the Moors, free thinking had been annihilated.

Except derivative of mathematical choice, physics does not exist.

Except in derivation of Nothingness, Somethingness does not exist.
Except in derivation of Somethingness, Nothingness does not exist.
We have no choice (“un-choice”) but to make choices.

Ommmmm.

Anonymous said...

Comment at http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/worshipping_the_weather.html:

Jason ("Note that I said "lack of belief."")

Well, would you call that a "fact" that you have lack of belief, or a "belief" that you have lack of belief. :)
Good balancing act!

To doubt that Something synchronously expresses us and participates in experiencing our emotions would be to have a belief (not a lack of belief) that our original or synchronizing Author is either Nothingness or an entirely Indifferent Somethingness.

But, if entirely indifferent, then why does so much of "the measurement problem" regarding that which is existent relate to personal (i.e., non-indifferent) perception, focus, and choice?

One can act and go about one's life without consciously thinking very much about God, perhaps concentrating mostly on the indifferent empirical "why" of things.
Still, one's subconscious, interpersonal choices will not be "indifferent."
How one chooses to act and to dedicate one's endeavors will not be "indifferent," but participatory.

Regardless of the symbolic language of words, the symbolic language of one's acts will betray one's most cherished habits and rituals (i.e., "religion") and choices of similarly inclined companions.
They will be the ones with whom one practices his "religion" --- regardless of conscious homage to "God."

Simply put, religion does not require verbally conscious homage to God.
Rather, religious homage can consist entirely in the language of activity --- which no one can avoid (not even a professing Atheist or Collectivist).

BTW --- Why must professing atheists feel such need to call themselves atheists, rather than agnostics? Why not simply refer to Whatever is the ultimate sponsor of your moral philosophy (assuming you have one) as "God"? Why feel such need to disdain and disassociate from all organized religions, rather than simply to take their messages as figurative and share your own best understanding or interpretation, in respect of that Something (or "Existent Nothingness"?) of which is beyond our direct "physical" approach?

Laughter loves the ambiguous mixing of trivial logic with non-trivial choice-making.
Merry Christmas.

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We have problem, in that there are two kinds of "atheists":

1) Mind Slavers to Militantly Collectivist Hedonism (these are "subhuman bastards"); and
2) Responsible Empiricists, often focused on solving the mathematics of everything.

Among responsible empiricists, some believe we really can solve to the grand unifying theory, and some believe we can only find different ways to relate to it.

Either way, so long as Empiricists act responsibly ("by their works shall ye know them"), they are plenty "religious" enough for me.

To me, it is the psychopathic imposition of one's own hedonism above the collectivist values of all others that makes one a subhuman bastard. Unfortunately, the written history of the world is, in large part, a history of psychopathic bastards, ruling the rest of us --- some blindly, some despairingly, all collectively.

To preserve our “self-evident” rights to freedom of thought, we don't have to crusade against psychopathic hedonists or collectivist mind slavers, because they will bring their crusade to us, to try to reduce the rest of us to their sorry lot.

So, God bless Charles the Hammer!

Anonymous said...

See --- http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/the_greatest_book_ever_written.html.