Tuesday, October 3, 2017

Health Care



We live and communicate subject to a fluxing and shared conceptualization of a re-representation of a more encompassing reality of inexplicable potentiality.  Subject to that, each of us can choose to conceptualize as if a basis for higher-mindedness abides, or as if it does not.  Logic and science will not explicate any greater probability for one than the other. 

Assuming there abides a "true" conceptualization of the encompassing reality, it would need to be at a holistic level, such that the conceptualizer (consciousness), conceptualization (substance), and reality conceptualized (information) would be one thing of three aspects, with capacity to appreciate the quantity and quality of every conscious perspective of such conceptualization.  It would be beyond mortal.

We, as mortal individuals, participate and share in an unfolding definition and experience of the conceptualization, but we do not rule it.  We are subject to its rules for reconciling how our bodies and brains are adopted and adapted.  Even if substance and information are ultimately comprised of mere math as directed by the Holism, they are real to our mortal limits of experience.

We can discover rules for the conceptualization that we happen to share, but we cannot limit how those rules may flux or be fluxed over space-time.  Even if potentiality were not eternal and infinite, it seems to be astonishing and inexplicable.

We cannot scientifically define, confine, or refine the Holism.  At most, we can try to be qualitatively receptive to its guidance and reconciliation.  That is, we can try to live together in good faith and good will, and trust in the Lord.

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Absent some kind of voluntarily inspired population control, the march to "widget-man" is probably irreversible.  It seems a sin to sub-humanize people by depriving them of freedom of expression, enterprise, and association.  However, as knowledge and capacity to produce weapons and means of mass destruction disseminate and increase, seemingly exponentially, the race will be on to monitor and constrain every person, business, and nation to try to ensure against "man made disasters" on epic scales. 

Even if such a race could be won, the price would be mass sub-humanization.  Absent a population correction, the sub-humanization of humanity is probably unavoidable.  If so, the NWO will be one of "safe spaces and economic security" --- in exchange for surrendering the best and most important aspects of being human.  Instead of yearning to breathe free, we will be programmed to yearn to breathe safely. 

But we will be fed and famed with Big PC, soma, and omni-sex --- to keep us safely occupied.  At least, so long as we are useful to the farm.  After we are no longer useful, the fake mask of caring and social justice will be discarded.  After all, once we have been deliberately sub-humanized, why should we any longer expect to be valued?

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Tools for Soros pretend to feel everyone's pain.  Pretend to be motivated to serve humanity.  What a farce!
I have lost faith in these studies by the useful idiots, stooges, and shills for the practitioners of NWO oligarchic collectivism under the power of phony elites (falsely called "the open society").  Their paymasters do not value human freedom, dignity, fairness, or equality.  They value farming the people, with the masses to obey and do as the moral scientists and elites for the oligarchy instruct.  Theirs is neither to be responsible nor to reason why, but only to do as they are told.  Perhaps this is why so many Germans seem to love Merkel and Islam?  There is no outrage these tools cannot wrap up in intellectual language and snooker their fellow travelers into finding reasonable.  It is only while the masses have value as farm animals that their masters will care about their fair treatment or their sex or drug based happiness.
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Quotes from O'Brien in 1984:
"Do you suppose it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?'"
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'Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?'
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"But always – do not forget this, Winston – always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever."

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Single Payer along the Australian Model would make sense. Health Care is not a natural right. But, as a Safety Net, it is akin to investment in Infrastructure that makes sense for a decent and healthy nation. The level of health care should be that of a safety net, not a hammock. Not to the level of encouraging gross irresponsibility. Moreover, the level is not something determined by natural law. It should be a level that comports with what is sustainable for a decent society, as it becomes ever more economically able. Making health care the responsibility of employers tends to make the nation less economically competitive with others. Alas, our nation is becoming so politically and historically illiterate that our Representatives seem unable to summon and legislate any semblance of good sense. For Conservers of Liberty and a decent representative republic, this should not be a political football between opposing gangs of Rinos and Dinos --- nearly all of whom are in the pockets of souldead oligarchs.

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My key point is that one often needs to be a disciplinarian for empathetic reasons.  Is it more empathetic to coddle a child to become a burden on society, or to inculcate enough self respect to learn how to become competent and strong enough not to need coddling?  Nurturing a cub/child from infancy to responsible adulthood and ability to think beyond pc indoctrinated slogans is a complex process.  I am interested in that empathy (enlightened self interest?) which relates to capacity to identify oneself with persons and interests beyond slogans or the perimeter of one's skin.


I'm more a believer in natural empathy than so-called natural law (Secular Substitute for Faith in a Metaphysical Reconciler?). Even so, I don't see where I contradicted Locke. Did Locke ever say Natural Law requires that a nation provide single payer health insurance?

I want our empathy-muscles to be developed towards strengthening grownups who will incline towards preserving our representative republic, instead of towards a NWO where the masses are kept subjugated under the socialist-fascist rule of oligarchic knowbetters.

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By performance-magic, wannabe rulers are redefining language to indoctrinate, bribe, and prepare the masses to be ruled.

A conserver of liberty would prefer that our empathy-muscles be developed towards strengthening grownups who will incline towards preserving our representative republic. 

But our wannabe rulers and rule-ees  prefer to redefine empathy as tolerance whereby the masses are to be kept subjugated under the socialist-fascist rule of oligarchic knowbetters and their thugs.  They preach humility under God, but then they substitute Central Planning Gov for God and put both God and the republic out of the picture.  Then they tell us they are "as moral as anyone else."


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The NWO goal for our schools --- whether public, private, or corporate --- is to make the masses ready for the Fake NWO. But the Real NWO is to be the same tri-part dystopia of Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia --- under the boot of socialist-fascist-corporatists, everywhere. This is the default position for humanity when the majority slips over into incapacity --- whether by trained stupidity or cowardice --- to reason for itself. Once in the pit of this dystopia, they will comfort themselves by telling themselves the slippery slope was all a big fallacy.


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Rinos lie for votes when they promise to repeal health care, Dinos lie for votes when they promise gun control legislation. They all get rich while they play Kabuki for oligarchs. Why is there no organized effort to take down oligarchs when they launder money for treasonous purposes? Could it be because they have bribed and brain washed so many tenured and radical gullibles into believing that flooding the USA with cultures alien to representative republicanism is a good thing? A nation whose citizenry has become liberty illiterate cannot long sustain a republic. Inevitably, they will fall under the boot of socialist-fascist-corporatists posing as expert moral scientists. Sadly, many seem to think that is a good thing. And they want to make it worldwide.


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Revisit Emmanuel Goldstein.  Then compare 1984 with Brave New World.

Whips are not necessary where candy will do.  The central force of gov despotism is not necessary where oligarchs learn how to entice and farm the masses and then buy the gov politicians.  A representative republic cannot survive once the majority of its electorate has been trained not to think beyond PC, and to call that wisdom. 

Useful idiocy is now rewarded.  Thinking for yourself and then saying what you think, if it is outside PC, is hazardous to your social standing.  Putting your real thoughts online, on social media, can be as much a permanent handicap as a revolutionary act. 

The program of useful idiots is to be divisive, to help oligarchs rule, so they will pay candy.  The program has nothing to do with fairness or equality, except as slogans to turn the masses into sub-humans.  We are now far down a twisted road, with nary a bread crumb to lead us back.

For Emmanuel Goldstein's Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theory_and_Practice_of_Oligarchical_Collectivism:

"[T]heorists, such as Max Schachtman, saw the Soviet Union, along with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, as representing a new type of society, neither capitalist nor socialist, characterized by direct, integrated political and economic rule by a new ruling class of totalitarian state bureaucrats. In the era of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and the lead-up to World War II, this theory claimed that the apparently opposed Fascist and Stalinist social systems were in effect identical in essence, reminiscent of Goldstein's claims that Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia are actually identical and only differ in the justifying ideology."

(Stalin was as much a fascist as Hitler.  Sub-humanizing collectivism under oligarchs is fascism.  Totalitarianism is totalitarianism, whatever its flavor.)

Compare the theory of Soros' "Open Society" with its actual practice, where:

- buying and selling politicians and governments is conflated with democracy
- crowds on demand are purchased by agitators
- thought control is conflated with social justice
- gov control over the distribution of financial incentives is conflated with freedom
- surrendering the power to defend yourself is conflated with enlightenment
- banning words is conflated with being socially sensitive
- inventing and forcing recognition of strange genders is conflated with science
- girl scouts become boy scouts
- friends with benefits will become group marriages
- illegal aliens become respected residents with voting rights
- science of people farming animal husbandry is conflated with morality
- orgasmic instruction is to become a right of children
- parents are to be replaced by villages and bureaucrats
- marriages and families are eventually to be de-defined
- culture based on individual freedom and responsibility is to be made racist
- law enforcement for preserving decency is made into oppression
- people are prepped to become cattle
- open season for oligarchs is conflated with free trade
- divide and rule and cheap and desperate labor are taken to be marks of the open society
- the masses should obey their more scientifically trained moral elites
- God is not dead, but banned









The World Soul


PILGRIM'S PROGRESS:
It's almost as if some gov black ops agency drugged, indoctrinated, and trained Paddock to commit an atrocity in exchange for money and a promise to help him escape in order to continue as needed.  For what purpose:  To convince Congress and the electorate to help the gov disarm the American people? 
There is so much competing twilight-zone level insanity nowadays, who can say?  Down is up, girls are boy scouts, transwomen are Generals, patriotism is racist, big gov is morality, policing is oppression, Soros remains free as a bird to fund and instigate treason, and Saudi Wahhabi sociopaths claiming the authority of religion are laundering and buying up America. 
The world seems to have spiraled into a black hole of madness, and they call it being "social justice warriors."  Meanwhile, faithful Americans are hated as being white privileged or uncle Toms.  Something wicked this way comes.  It's way has been greased under the theory and practice of oligarchic collectivism.  Meanwhile, godforsaken Hollywood predators continue to pretend to care about your fairness and equality, while the professoriate continues to churn out young social zombies conditioned to believe they are wise and good.

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TIME TRAVEL:

The speed of EMR in empty space is the limiting and usual speed at which any receptor can receive Information.  Information that may transmit faster than the speed of light cannot be received by any mortal receptor/perspective.

Traveling instantaneously or faster than the speed of light would not alter the past or future or constitute time travel.  If I traveled away from Earth faster than SOL and then returned faster than SOL, I could at most have approached instantaneously travel, not travel into the past of future.

If I travel instantly to a distant Star, I will arrive at its present time.  I will miss out on receiving much of the light/information from its distant past, that may still be bombarding Earth.  In this way, I may be able to go back and forth and remind Earth and Star people of Information from their past, but I would not be able to change their past.

No mortal P of C travels back and forth between past and future.  Rather, it simply receives whatever I it receives at the limiting SOL.  By exceeding the SOL, it would simply forego receiving some I that it would have received had it not traveled.

If instantaneous travel or travel faster than SOL eventually becomes possible, it will be at the cost for the traveler of losing first hand experiences of I.  It will not constitute time travel.

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?????????????The only "locus" in respect of which the speed of light can be, and is, contemporaneously measured, is each local perspective of Consciousness that happens to be recording, sensing, interpreting, rationalizing, and measuring it.  Without a perspective of Consciousness, it would be in-sensible to imagine a limiting speed for the creation and transmission of new Information.  Consciousness is fundamental to establishing a Substantive Universe in respect of which Information can be created, collected, evolved, and transmitted.  The capacity of every form of measurable S to facilitate the collection, storage, and transmission of I implicates C beyond a complete accounting by the measurability of interactions of S.  ?????????? 

Whatever the nature of the locus that can receive, collapse, interpret, and store Information, it is, at some level, a perspective of Consciousness.  The potential fuzz of Information is not merely "what it is."  Rather, Information is selectively gathered, appreciated, and interpreted -- back and forth.  It is only through communication among perspectives of Consciousness that unfolding facts become facts, beyond what are math-based trivialities.

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We live and communicate subject to a fluxing and shared conceptualization of a re-representation of a more encompassing reality of inexplicable potentiality.  Subject to that, each of us can choose to conceptualize as if a basis for higher-mindedness abides, or as if it does not.  Logic and science will not explicate any greater probability for one than the other. 

Assuming there abides a "true" conceptualization of the encompassing reality, it would need to be at a holistic level, such that the conceptualizer (consciousness), conceptualization (substance), and reality conceptualized (information) would be one thing of three aspects, with capacity to appreciate the quantity and quality of every conscious perspective of such conceptualization.  It would be beyond mortal.

We, as mortal individuals, participate and share in an unfolding definition and experience of the conceptualization, but we do not rule it.  We are subject to its rules for reconciling how our bodies and brains are adopted and adapted.  Even if substance and information are ultimately comprised of mere math as directed by the Holism, they are real to our mortal limits of experience.

We can discover rules for the conceptualization that we happen to share, but we cannot limit how those rules may flux or be fluxed over space-time.  Even if potentiality were not eternal and infinite, it seems to be astonishing and inexplicable.

We cannot scientifically define, confine, or refine the Holism.  At most, we can try to be qualitatively receptive to its guidance and reconciliation.  That is, we can try to live together in good faith and good will, and trust in the Lord.

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The measurable universe re-presents a self-aware universe that cumulates and records in-form-ational experiences.
The moral worth of each self-aware personage is something more than that of a souldead obedient zombie for wannabe scientists for a NWO ruling elite of Dinos. IOW, Americans worship God, not elitist ruled Gov.

There is no place in the NWO for the masses to be entitled to think for themselves about politics.

For our world, Consciousness is tied with, among other things, how we happen to experience a limiting speed for the communication of Information, and vice versa. For our world, no Information can be received without in some way being sensed or rationalized to that shared limit. In that respect, Consciousness seems to be a co-equal fundament with cumulating Information and measurable Substance. Not a mere emergent or derivative from the unfolding mixings of Substance.

However, militant Scientists want to presume Consciousness at every level is a mere (inferior) emergent, derivative from (superior) Substance. Insofar as Substance consists of measurables, they presume science, free from the participatory feedback of Consciousness, can provide a complete accounting for Everything --- including social morality.  (They are so befuddled in this way, they would even ask for Substantive proof that Substance cannot provide a complete accounting for everything.  IOW, they would ask for a fundamental violation of logic:  Scientific proof that science does not account for everything.)

Thus, they would posit that participatory freedom, conscious moral feedback, morality, and a guiding Reconciler are all mere inventions or delusions. IOW, to save higher minded morality, they must kill it. They must replace ideas of individual dignity and responsibility with pursuits of rule under elite scientists, i.e., "moral scientists." They would replace an ideal of individual morality and responsibility with an ideal of neuroscience: How to give maximum pleasure to the maximum number of sheeple.

There are problems with this. Apart from mad-scientific assumption, how do they derive such a "principle" to call it the new morality? How do they reconcile all the dark Substance that seems to defy measurement? How do they agree on what is really pleasurable versus conditioned pleasure? How should they design the apex brain that will have capacity to experience apex pleasure? Which sheeple should be entitled to what pleasures?  Which sheeple should shut up and obey?


I suspect Dan Brown views Consciousness as an emergent status that is entirely derivative of pre-existing Substance and Information, instead of as a co-equal fundament at some level. I think that model is less coherent than a model that conceptualizes Consciousness, Substance, and Information to be of co-equal, fundamental, Trinitarian dignity. IOW, each of C, S and I is existentially dependent on the other two. At some fundamental level, I doubt any could abide without the other two.



SEE ALSO POWER OF POSITIVE CONSCIOUSNESS and Model of CSI 2.

Our experience of consciousness is one of dynamic feedback, whereby consciousness is both collectivized and reconciled. The reconciliation necessarily entails an unfolding process of judgmentalism. Something of each of our perspectives reaches up, to reconcile and judge down. That may be called the God process. IAE, its Source seems to be innate, eternal, and infinite. Without that source of reconciliation of Consciousness, it's hard to see how everyday Substance or assimilation of Information could proceed.

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Regarding the Quantitative (science) v. the Qualitative (faith):  What is the division between that which can be quantitatively measured versus that which can only be qualitatively appreciated?  Such division would seem to depend, among other things, on whether the Measurer is within or without the system in respect of which the measurement is to be taken.
However, this poses a conundrum:  To take a measurement is to make the perspective of the Measurer part of the system "within" (in respect of) which the measurement is taken.  The idea of a God wholly irrelevant to, and outside of, our space-time World would relate no coherent sense.
Tests of aspects other than the Measurer may be kept relatively constant and comparable, except in respect of the ever-changing status of conscious measurers.  Tests may evidence a supposed best way to pursue a generally desired result, but they cannot prove what a person should desire, generally.
One particular mortal may acquire power to bend another to his Will, but does not have moral authority over any other to dictate the general, changing, and unfolding values, interests, and purposes of such other.
To this conundrum, there is no scientific resolution --- apart from general respect for the Meta-Reconciler and the dignity of each mortal Perspective of it.  Not even with science or elitists.  The appeal is necessarily to inspired reasoning, in respect of the Meta-Reconciler.  Mere appeals to science, pleasure, or bribery will not suffice on any sustainable basis.
 To be effective and sustainable, a representative republic needs to indoctrinate generalized respect for the idea of a Principler of Moral Reconciliation.  Even if one wants to call IT the Unconscious Collective, the Qualitatively Innate, or the World Soul. 
If a citizenry is to assimilate and pursue sustainable values, it needs church-like forums.  The alternative is random and passive indoctrination and diktat under the pc-propaganda and force of media/academia monopolizing oligarchs.


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We seem to be conceptualizing different things under the term "qualitative."  I was not using it the sense of being qualified.  More in the sense of beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  Or the sense of that which is beyond measure.  Or in the David Chalmers sense, that a human cannot comprehend the quality of what it means to be a tiger.  Can you or any other mortal quantitatively measure the totality of all that has not yet transpired to your life?  Can you even say what your interests, values, and opinions will be (or should be) a month from now?

As to "direct influence":  That begs the issue of the meaning of causation and causal agents.  And even "first causes."  I don't see how those ideas, beyond human action, advance any ultimate philosophy or "knowledge."  What I see unfolding are reconciliations, some more reliably predictable than others. 

However, what is being reconciled is a flux of immeasurable Consciousness, measurable Substance, and accumulated Information.  As to the ongoing and unfolding "cause" of any mediating reconciliation of that flux, I punt to the Godhead (CSI).  I see nothing helpful in a concept that God has "left the building" or pre-fixed the alpha and the omega.  For one thing, the alpha and the omega seem quite beyond mortal fathom, apart from self delusion on account of having given a name to that which is unfathomable.

The NWO goal for our schools --- whether public, private, or corporate --- is to make the masses ready for the Fake NWO.  But the Real NWO is to be the same tri-part dystopia of Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia --- under the boot of socialist-fascist-corporatists, everywhere.  This is the default position for humanity when the majority slips over into incapacity --- whether by trained stupidity or cowardice --- to reason for itself.  Once in the pit of this dystopia, they will comfort themselves by telling themselves the slippery slope was all a big fallacy.

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One often needs to be a disciplinarian for empathetic reasons.  Is it more empathetic to coddle a child to become a burden on society, or to inculcate enough self respect to learn how to become competent and strong enough not to need coddling?  Nurturing a cub/child from infancy to responsible adulthood and ability to think beyond pc indoctrinated slogans is a complex process.  I am interested in that empathy (enlightened self interest?) which relates to capacity to identify oneself with persons and interests beyond slogans or the perimeter of one's skin.

I'm more a believer in natural empathy than so-called natural law (Secular Substitute for Faith in a Metaphysical Reconciler?). Even so, I don't see where I contradicted Locke. Did Locke ever say Natural Law requires that a nation provide single payer health insurance?

I want our empathy-muscles to be developed towards strengthening grownups who will incline towards preserving our representative republic, instead of towards a NWO where the masses are kept subjugated under the socialist-fascist rule of oligarchic knowbetters.

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By performance-magic, wannabe rulers are redefining language to indoctrinate, bribe, and prepare the masses to be ruled.

A conserver of liberty would prefer that our empathy-muscles be developed towards strengthening grownups who will incline towards preserving our representative republic. 

But our wannabe rulers and rule-ees  prefer to redefine empathy as tolerance whereby the masses are to be kept subjugated under the socialist-fascist rule of oligarchic knowbetters and their thugs.  They preach humility under God, but then they substitute Central Planning Gov for God and put both God and the republic out of the picture.  Then they tell us they are "as moral as anyone else."


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Entire Universe does not abide as a measurable thing that itself has a single, measurable age.  Whatever age is attributed to the visible Universe is an age that is renormalized to a shared, overlapping set of perspectives of Consciousness.

Whether you are in a locus to experience Universe as being dense or dissipate depends on how your Perspective happens to have become associated with an unfolding reconciliation of accumulating Information, as it is presented to you.

Light, by itself, does not exist.  Nor Universe.  Nor Present Time.  Your Present Time, as a reconciling experience of presentations, does not in itself exist, apart from your Conscious Perspective.  It exists as a shared experience to the extent you happen to share in a psychological and space-time overlap with others.

Light is experienced as a constant speed, because EMR conveys Information, that must be reconciled to each and every potential Perspective of Consciousness.  There may abide parallel Universes wherewith Light travels at different, albeit constant, speeds.  Our Identities would not be adapted to being able to sense such differently speeding light or the Information it may convey.  To experience such other Light, our Identities would have to pass through some re-transmogrifying kind of wormhole.  We do not travel in Time.  We travel in reconciliations of Perspectives of Consciousness.

I can affect another Perspective's reconciliation of sequences only insofar as such sequences show him to me or me to him.  My and his experiences of sequences (so-called "causes and correlates") will differ, as necessary to reconcile our separate Perspectives.  Sequences among personal frames of reference appear to accrue differently, depending on their meta-psychological and space-time differences in Perspectives.

To some extent, a renormalizing Perspective can be postulated, in respect of which it and others would renormalize Information concerning shared sequences in the same way.  But that is not because the renormalization showed the true sequences-in-themselves.  Rather, it is because communication between the Perspectives has been renormalized to an overlapping and reconciled experience of psychologically shared Consciousness.

Other Perspectives will remain, beyond potential renormalization to my psychological experience.  No mortal has capacity to renormalize Universe so all Perspectives can share in anything like a Universe-In-itself.  Rather, to each Perspective of Consciousness, experiences are sensed to "collapse" to a renormalizing interpretation of Information.

So, are we causal agents, or just interpreting epiphenomena?  Or are we Scouts, reconnoitering for the apprehensions and appreciations of the Godhead?  In that role, perhaps our appreciations affect how the Godhead will reconcile to present a Perspective of unfoldment of Universe to each of us.  In that, we would each experience not Free Will, but Participatory Will.  As we appreciate, apprehend, understand, so also may our interpretive capacities expand.  We come powerfully to participate in how an experience of World is to unfold.

Quantum Fuzz is the potential for renormalization for that which has not yet to a particular Perspective been normalized.  If the Infinity and Eternity of Consciousness, Substance, and Information can at some level of Quantum Fuzz beyond mortal Physics be summed, that sum may be conceptualized as a meta-steady-state, even though it may present in infinitely various ways to infinitely possible and shared Perspectives.

What is the Point of this meta-rumination?  To suggest s meta, spiritual, innate, inherent value in connecting and empathetic experiences of conscious participation with the World.

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As the nation became richer, parasites learned how to play the imavictim game, milk it, and then milk the milkers. At the same time, they normalized depravity and exiled any idea of godly judgmentalism.

As people lost faith, they lost faith in one another, so non-judgmental depravity became pc. The new hero became the saggy-panted hater of the republic.

Oligarchs saw the trend and how to profit from it. Trump is resisted and hated every time he tries to reverse it.

What American would have imagined that a disrespectful hater of the republic who wears Castro shirts and cop-pig socks would have started a movement that made hating America popular at the same time it pulled Americans away from professional football?

When everyone becomes a corrupt milker, how can anyone resist?


As the nation became richer, parasites learned how to play the imavictim game, milk it, and then milk the milkers.  At the same time, they normalized depravity and exiled any idea of godly judgmentalism. 
As people lost faith, they lost faith in one another, so non-judgmental depravity became pc.  The new hero became the saggy-panted hater of the republic. 
Oligarchs saw the trend and how to profit from it.  Trump is resisted and hated every time he tries to reverse it. 
What American would have imagined that a disrespectful hater of the republic who wears Castro shirts and cop-pig socks would have started a movement that made hating America popular at the same time it pulled Americans away from professional football?
When everyone becomes a corrupt milker, how can anyone resist?

Feelings rule, girls are boys, parasites are victims, saggy butts are righteous, screams are music, head cutters are under-appreciated, nationalism is racist, masculinity is evil, wussiness is courage, hedonism is goodly-godly, 2 plus 2 is 5, and ignorance is strength. Are we in the sheeple corral yet?

When everyone becomes a corrupt milker, how can anyone resist?

The reason so many phony "Liberals" hate America is because real Americans loathe able bodied people ("kneelers") who are quick to beg and whine in perpetuity. The work ethic is what made America prosperous, and it is also what attracts the perpetual and entirely ungrateful parasites. Once we are drowned in the parasitic culture, the work ethic will be killed. Then, America will sink into the mire of all the other "caring" cultures of the kind of socialism that is without capacity to direct rewards away from blood suckers and towards producers. Indeed, the essence of oligarchic socialism is to float suckers to the top of every institution. This is Evil, posing as Good.

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I suspect Dan Brown views Consciousness as an emergent status that is derivative of pre-existing Substance and Information, instead of as a co-equal fundament. I think that model is less coherent than a model that conceptualizes Consciousness, Substance, and Information to be of co-equal, fundamental, Trinitarian dignity. IOW, each of C, S and I is existentially dependent on the other two. At some fundamental level, I doubt any could abide without the other two.

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I wish life were not unfair. But it is. Do we need a Department of Hue Registration, to identify every person by skin color, attractiveness, physical ability, genetic advantage, and IQ? Maybe each person could be assigned a number that could only be changed by undergoing a reclassification hearing. Then every person could be taxed pro-rata based on his/her number. Problem: I suspect this kin...d of government intrusion to try to force people to be "fair" would be extremely counterproductive. I don't think we can safely trust that kind of power to the government. When we do, we tend to float the worst kind of people to be in charge of such do-gooderism. Sort of like how our attempts to give aid to socialistic nations tend mainly to enrich and entrench the local despots.

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Absent some kind of voluntarily inspired population control, the march to "widget-man" is probably irreversible.  It seems a sin to sub-humanize people by depriving them of freedom of expression, enterprise, and association.  However, as knowledge and capacity to produce weapons and means of mass destruction disseminate and increase, seemingly exponentially, the race will be on to monitor and constrain every person, business, and nation to try to ensure against "man made disasters" on epic scales.

 

Even if such a race could be won, the price would be mass sub-humanization.  Absent a population correction, the sub-humanization of humanity is probably unavoidable.  If so, the NWO will be one of "safe spaces and economic security" --- in exchange for surrendering the best and most important aspects of being human.  Instead of yearning to breathe free, we will be programmed to yearn to breathe safely. 

But we will be fed and famed with Big PC, soma, and omni-sex --- to keep us safely occupied.  At least, so long as we are useful to the farm.  After we are no longer useful, the fake mask of caring and social justice will be discarded.  After all, once we have been deliberately sub-humanized, why should we any longer expect to be valued?



Wednesday, September 27, 2017

Socialism Done Right



I think promoting understanding through volunteerism is vital. I think trying to fix every insult with laws piled on laws tends often to be counterproductive. I would like to see a lot more black police officers. I would like to see more faith, family, fidelity. Less license, hedonism, and envy. I suspect a big part of the established oligarchy profits by keeping people stirred up and divided. I hope for the best, but I fear the trend. "A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me."--- Frederick Douglass

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What is the flag kneeling about?  Is it really about police oppression?  The police oppression is only a small part of what oppresses people of color.  To ban police from their neighborhoods is not to decrease oppression, but to increase it, by giving free reign to outlawry.  If the problem were white police officers, then the solution would be easy:  Just hire and train more officers of color.

Or is it really about misplaced and stirred up animosity against everyone who is not of African origin?  If Liberals really did anything effective to reduce oppression, what would happen to the voting base they farm?  What are Section 8 houses and hood centers, if not farms for electing fake Liberals?  Do such people really believe they can force others to lovingly serve them?  Apart from the kind of Stockholm Syndrome common among Islamic societies, what rapist should expect his victim to love him?

I suspect the new world ethos is based on license, hedonism, and envy, to the destruction of faith, family, and fidelity.  Such a world will not cohere voluntarily.  It requires maliciously elite rulers, pretending to be moral scientists.  How else to indoctrinate the people to be roped, branded, and de-horned -- like farmed cattle?

We seem to be on a path leading to the central farming of the masses by cynical, soul dead, booty-minded oligarchs and Oz monkeys --- skilled at pretending to want to lead us to equality and fairness.  They do this while they take away our individual freedom, dignity, and responsibility.

The world has been pushed along this path so long, I'm far from confident that a worldwide centralized dystopia can be avoided.  When cattle yield the responsibility to feed them to others, they will get farmed.  I suspect the people-farming establishment looks upon DJT as a rustler.

By giving up their individual responsibility, the masses are being had.  And the republic is being swamped under a NWO whose agents only pretend to want equality and fairness.  This is about much more than race and divisiveness.  It is about the worldwide destruction of human freedom and dignity.  I shudder at the sub-humanizing kind of world we are leaving for our children.  To say I do not trust the modern professoriate of pretending "moral scientists" shilling for the established oligarchy would be a considerable understatement.

My heroes include Ben Carson, David Clarke, Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, and Martin Luther King, Jr..   They do not seem to be sell-outs or shills for the people-farming establishment.  Not burners, looters, traffic stoppers, saggy-panters, or shills for people-farmers.


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I suspect empathy, like altruism, is innate to the extent you identify with those who happen to be close to you in some way. It can be expanded to the extent you learn to expand the circle of those whose purposes and needs you happen to identify with. It is not principled unless it is directed to some responsible purpose. Politically, empathy can be directed to push a society to disarm itself and kneel under elite oligarchs. Or it can be directed to help establish, defend, and sustain a representative republic of competent, vigilant, and responsible citizens. Empathy can consist in tough love, beyond coddling. Prince Arjuna was empathetic. Apart from a responsible purpose, proponents of unguided empathy would be herded by opportunistic people farmers, bent on monopolizing media to foster resentments in order to divide and cannibalize a republic. There is little virtue in being tolerant or empathetic of professional victims or victimizers, merely for the sake of being empathetic. Beyond love, children need to be guided in how to grow up.

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Socialism Done Right:  If you were born in a country that has materially benefitted from the industrial and technological revolutions that accompanied free enterprise, then it's like you were born 10 yards away from a touchdown against everyone born in any other nation.  This is unequal privilege!

Everyone born with such unequal privilege should be shamed, until he shares 90% of his wealth with every person in every nation whose populace has not yet developed the culture and initiative that can sustain a competitive system of free enterprise.

The fact that this would undermine the free enterprise that produced such wealth is far less important than the good feelings, social justice, and higher civilization that will arise once worldwide Socialism is done right.  So history and fascist oligarchs teach, right?
For those unburdened by history or responsible adulthood, the above is sarcasm.  But why does social misery always follow in the wake of snake-oil salesmen?  Some people want to impose misery, the better to signal pretended virtue and sustain the market for snake oil.  Some people want to impose misery, the better to wear their boots and saggy pants on the faces of others.  Some people want to impose misery, because they have twisted their faith to believe that individual autonomy and happiness are bad.  But really, what is the virtue in imposing worldwide social misery?

Generalized altruism can arise voluntarily throughout an assimilating culture.  Or it can arise through the force and diktat of Moral Scientismists loosed upon the public by Elite Oligarchs and Despots.  In the first case, altruism tends to flow from personal connections among the people throughout a culture.  Your identity relates to people you empathize with who are close to you.  In the second case, your identity has not empathized with any particular persons, but with an imagined persona of a celebrated elitist/despot.  More like Fake Altruism than Informed Altruism.  More like a Pharisee, signaling his virtue to his Benefactors.


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EDIT: When can a baby cry? Anytime he wants to. But when he does, he will tend to be put back in the crib. Until he figures out something more productive to do with himself.

I think there is a spiritual basis for altruism. Even Ayn Rand recognized how a person identifies his interests with those of his family. That easily extends to close neighbors, friends, tribal affiliates, persons with shared cultural values. That kind of altruism can be self affirming, healthy, and make for purposeful existentiality. But the kind of communistic pc altruism that is drummed and forced into you by ruling elites is not like that. Their altruism comes at the cost of killing the souls in humanity, turning us into zombie serfs. Their altruism is the false promise of the devil, that always produces misery. They do the Big Lie, saying give to us so we can equally redistribute fairness. What they really mean to do is take a big cut, then dole out as needed to preserve the enserfment. Aid to lands ruled by despots is ever thus. So called social justice leaders, as they wear their fake virtue on their sleeves, always shill for such despots because the rewards are so greasy easy.


Freedom comes with consequences. Within the law, everyone can protest, speak, and lead by example. Start, join, and encourage a Charity, Civic Club, Church, or Synagogue. Contribute to big brothers, big sisters, children's homes. If you provide a good example, you will inspire. If your argument resonates, it will spread. If it sucks, it will get smacked down. Sure as the Sun rises. Teaching children to whine instead of to become competent is a losing, evil way of life.
Problem is, if you want to get promoted by those cynics who run most modern institutions, the path is far easier if you become adept at mouthing the pc than if you function as a responsible individual. If you become skilled with the pc, you can get away with just about any s*** imaginable.
Some say the system does not allow them to protest. What hooey! They protest all the time. Shouting down speakers. Enforcing pc speech codes. Floating nothing but socialists to tenured positions. Liberating property during protests. Making it their occupation to have children for welfare purposes and to vote for a living. Following Crowds on Demand. Whining when producers decline to volunteer to have their blood sucked.

The ultimate in virtue signaling would be to feed yourself to the parasites. Matthews wants everyone to feed themselves to the worms. It's time he showed us how.

I'm not stopping the Players from protesting, and they won't stop me from declining to buy their product.
Who's divisive: The President, the Players, and/or the People who profit and entertain themselves by fomenting divisiveness? We need to think this through. Have our institutions become so compromised that Evil is having its way with Ignorance?
People's emotions are being played, to lead them to unfriend one another and work themselves into opposing frenzies of war parties. Cui bono? Apart from allowing themselves to be riled, what do the Players really really want, that can be served by these kinds of divisive protests? Tell me what it is that they really really want to legislate.

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Like helpless toddlers, so-called anti-fascists have no clue what their purpose is, what they're protesting, or how to go about achieving a goal.  They hear other whiners and they whine with the trend.  What do they want, what law do they really want to pass, how do they plan to achieve it, apart from whining and insulting?  They have no clue.  They are led by the noses by agitators working for despots with ulterior motives.
Suggestion:  Get counseling for personal problems.  See a reputable Minister.  Find alternatives to wearing Castro shirts, advocating for bs communism, wearing cop-pig socks, falling for people-farming oligarchs.  Have a decent goal.  Join a charity or civic club to that purpose.  Don't insult people by flashing your butt with saggy pants or by blaring hateful rap crap.  Don't make excuses for death-dealing cults.  Don't go into debt to be indoctrinated into bs by bs profs.  When in America, do as Americans do.  Hint:  Most Americans do not respect able-bodied beggars and whiners.

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Oligarchic Socialism is in some respects like the Communist Dictatorship of the Proletariat.  Both seem to apply Alinsky's Rules for (Oligarchic Control of) Radicals.  The Owners are the Oligarchs/Nomenklatura.  The Players are their well paid Shills.  The Fans are the Useful Idiots.
Those Rules are often in tension.  See Rule 7.  A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.  And Rule 11. If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counter side.
People are trying to debate Substance, but what is really at issue is Control.
For Substance, many of the Fans readily appreciate that, like helpless toddlers, so-called anti-fascists and social justice warriors have no clue what their purpose is, what they're protesting, or how to go about achieving a goal.  They hear other whiners and they whine with the trend. 
Ask:  What do they want, what law do they really want to pass, how do they plan to achieve it, apart from whining and insulting?  They have no clue.  They are led by the noses by agitators working for despots with an ulterior motive:  Control.  The Owners would sooner suffer a temporary drop in profits than a loss of the system of Oligarchic Socialism that is called American Football.
Substantive Suggestions for Useful Idiots:  Get counseling for personal problems.  See a reputable Minister.  Find alternatives to wearing Castro shirts, advocating for bs communism, wearing cop-pig socks, falling for people-farming oligarchs.  Have a decent goal.  Join a charity or civic club to that purpose.  Don't insult people by flashing your butt with saggy pants or by blaring hateful rap crap.  Don't make excuses for death-dealing cults.  Don't go into debt to be indoctrinated into bs by bs profs.  When in America, do as Americans do.  Hint:  Most Americans do not respect able-bodied beggars and whiners.
Problem is, they aren't called Useful Idiots for nothing.  Substance will sail over their heads and be replaced by nonsensical slogans.  Such as, "How else can a black person demonstrate?"  What crap!

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Apparently, African and Caribbean black lives do not matter.

They are not liberals. They are indoctrinated sheeple. A single oligarch can herd millions of them.

The planet has reverted to a sheeple farm. It's very hard now not to be either a sheeple or a sheeple farmer. Opportunities for independent minded, free thinking, autonomous Black Sheep are becoming extinct. Whether you are "educated" at a public school or a corporate school, you are being pc-indoctrinated to accept the established operators of the divide-and-rule memory hole.
People are not taught to remember or reconcile principles, but to go with the established trend setters and opportunists. Resisting on real principle is a career destroyer. It will get you flunked or fired. The inevitable consequence of concentration of wealth and technological power, combined with ever-dividing immigration policies, is the destruction-by-cooption of every representative republic.
A representative republic is a delicate flower, that depends on the reproduction and exertion of very brave and competent citizens. I doubt the ingredients for that happen to come together more than about once a millennium. It is hard gained and easily lost. It's price is eternal vigilance. Without a higher-minded faith, that is very unlikely to persist. Every person who might defend the representative republic is now being ridiculed, reviled, hounded, monitored, demoted, made irrelevant.
The Resident Evil will not rest until it has wiped out every vestige of respect for informed free speech under a representative republic. After that, it will redistribute equality. Equality in misery.



Some of the anti-Trumpers seem to think we would be a better, safer nation if we replaced the police with Antifa. IAE, everyone seems to hate the police, until you need them. This is getting to be a really stupid drag. It seems to be about Control: Will we retain a semblance of a Representative Republic, or will we allow stooges to agitate us to whimper, whine, and bend under Oligarchic-Fascist-Socialism? 

Who knows what the kneelers are protesting? Well, now some Libs... have stepped in to tell them. They may not have known it, but they are apparently protesting for social justice. Apparently, they want less police harassment. Even though in many cases the harassment proves out to have been not quite what it was said to be. 

Regardless, what the heck is "equal" about reducing police protection, if it results in increased danger in race-based neighborhoods? How do you get less police harassment without getting less police protection in dangerous areas?

Can't say this in school or on a job. Or if you want to grease a ride on the fast track. Institutionalized flunkies for the oligarchy would get you flunked or fired. But I'm retired, so I can call it as I see it.


The owners/Nomenklatura seem to be united with the players/Shills for the purpose of spreading the system of oligarchic socialism that is the model for American football to the rest of society. They don't like the representative republic, so they coordinate discrediting its flag. They discredit the flag because they are working to impose a model of elitist rule via oligarchic socialism. They imagine that would produce more fairness and equality. Iow, they are illiterates of history. If you don't like elitist rule, you should be working to preserve the representative republic and its flag, instead of to discredit it.

What kind of criminal justice reform? Pro rata equalize arrests based on race? How about instead of kneeling, go through a program to become a part time deputy. After all, these protesting athletes have months off between seasons. Volunteer to provide police assistance and neighborhood watch assistance. Or support those who do. Instead of making up phony claims about phony outrages. Do something positive instead of teaching so many kids to play imavictim for the rest of their lives.

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How much of the destructive hate now on display everywhere should be laid at the door of agents that are fomenting hate against the republic?


Evidently, Paddock hated the republic and was unfit for decent society. I wonder how many of his ilk believe the world would be better off by destroying the American Republic and replacing it with some kind of unspecified governance of elite knowbetters? These imavictim parasites are really getting to be a drag.
EDIT: Do they hate the police or just the idea of policing? If they hate the police, then the fit ones should take the training to become volunteer reserve deputies, to try to do something positive to improve law enforcement. Instead of working to destroy the republic and its symbols.

Except on faith, how can anyone say whether society should flux based on an unfolding accumulation and expression of individual likes of citizens versus an expression of elite determiners of likes?
Unless one on faith believes in an innate dignity for each perspective of personhood, one has no moral argument for resisting the rule of any arbitrary oligarchy that may gain power. It is meaningless for faithless people to claim to be as moral as any other, because they attach no meaning to the word moral --- apart from whatever serves their wannas.

They are not liberals. They are indoctrinated sheeple. A single oligarch can herd millions of them.

The planet has reverted to a sheeple farm. It's very hard now not to be either a sheeple or a sheeple farmer. Opportunities for independent minded, free thinking, autonomous Black Sheep are becoming extinct. Whether you are "educated" at a public school or a corporate school, you are being pc-indoctrinated to accept the established operators of the divide-and-rule memory hole.
People are not taught to remember or reconcile principles, but to go with the established trend setters and opportunists. Resisting on real principle is a career destroyer. It will get you flunked or fired. The inevitable consequence of concentration of wealth and technological power, combined with ever-dividing immigration policies, is the destruction-by-cooption of every representative republic.
A representative republic is a delicate flower, that depends on the reproduction and exertion of very brave and competent citizens. I doubt the ingredients for that happen to come together more than about once a millennium. It is hard gained and easily lost. It's price is eternal vigilance. Without a higher-minded faith, that is very unlikely to persist. Every person who might defend the representative republic is now being ridiculed, reviled, hounded, monitored, demoted, made irrelevant.
The Resident Evil will not rest until it has wiped out every vestige of respect for informed free speech under a representative republic. After that, it will redistribute equality. Equality in misery.

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Empathy, like altruism, is innate to the extent you identify with those who happen to be close to you in some way.   It can be expanded to the extent you learn to expand the circle of those whose purposes and needs you happen to identify with.  It is not principled unless it is directed to some responsible purpose.  Politically, empathy can be directed to push a society to kneel under elite oligarchs.  Or it can be directed to help establish and sustain a representative republic of competent, vigilant, and responsible citizens.  Empathy can consist in tough love, beyond coddling.  Apart from a responsible purpose, empathy would be herded by opportunistic people farmers.

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Depends on how you define various terms, such as Godliness, Morality, Virtue, and Goodness. 
As to system-wide objective morality, I doubt God is incapable of being surprised by Feedback into changing his/her Mind.  I doubt God can be apart from the unfolding Creation.  To measure or judge it is to become a part of it.  Subjective Mind expresses Objective Morality.  Without conscious subjective appreciation, objective moral measurability would be a chimera.
I suspect empathy, like altruism, is innate (therefore objective) to the extent you identify with those who happen to be close to you in some way. It can be expanded (therefore subjective) to the extent you learn to expand the circle of those whose purposes and needs you happen to identify with. It is not principled unless it is directed to some responsible purpose. Politically, empathy can be directed to push a society to disarm itself and kneel under elite oligarchs. Or it can be directed to help establish, defend, and sustain a representative republic of competent, vigilant, and responsible citizens.
Empathy can consist in tough love, beyond coddling. Prince Arjuna was empathetic. Apart from a responsible purpose, proponents of unguided empathy would be herded by opportunistic people farmers, bent on monopolizing media to foster resentments in order to divide and cannibalize a republic.
There is little virtue in being tolerant or empathetic of professional victims or victimizers, merely for the sake of being empathetic.
Beyond love, children need to be Guided in how to grow up.  But the unfolding process entails feedback and surprise.  The assimilating Guide abides in a Common Consciousness (God, Collective Unconscious?), of which perspectives are availed to mortals.


Tuesday, September 26, 2017

Consciousness Reconciling Among Perspectives



C always apprehends by how it normalizes that all I conveyed to it by EMR is being conveyed at the same relational speed (unless slowed thru a medium, such as water).  Even though the Substance (Matter and Energy of which I is being conveyed) is not.  All aspects and components of EMR must coordinate in support of its constant speed, even though the components themselves need not obey a constant relational speed.

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Entire Universe does not abide as a measurable thing that itself has a single, measurable age.  Whatever age is attributed to the visible Universe is an age that is renormalized to a shared, overlapping set of perspectives of Consciousness.

Whether you are in a locus to experience Universe as being dense or dissipate depends on how your Perspective happens to have become associated with an unfolding reconciliation of accumulating Information, as it is presented to you.

Light, by itself, does not exist.  Nor Universe.  Nor Present Time.  Your Present Time, as a reconciling experience of presentations, does not in itself exist, apart from your Conscious Perspective.  It exists as a shared experience to the extent you happen to share in a psychological and space-time overlap with others.

Light is experienced as a constant speed, because EMR conveys Information, that must be reconciled to each and every potential Perspective of Consciousness.  There may abide parallel Universes wherewith Light travels at different, albeit constant, speeds.  Our Identities would not be adapted to being able to sense such differently speeding light or the Information it may convey.  To experience such other Light, our Identities would have to pass through some re-transmogrifying kind of wormhole.  We do not travel in Time.  We travel in reconciliations of Perspectives of Consciousness.

I can affect another Perspective's reconciliation of sequences only insofar as such sequences show him to me or me to him.  My and his experiences of sequences (so-called "causes and correlates") will differ, as necessary to reconcile our separate Perspectives.  Sequences among personal frames of reference appear to accrue differently, depending on their meta-psychological and space-time differences in Perspectives.

To some extent, a renormalizing Perspective can be postulated, in respect of which it and others would renormalize Information concerning shared sequences in the same way.  But that is not because the renormalization showed the true sequences-in-themselves.  Rather, it is because communication between the Perspectives has been renormalized to an overlapping and reconciled experience of psychologically shared Consciousness.

Other Perspectives will remain, beyond potential renormalization to my psychological experience.  No mortal has capacity to renormalize Universe so all Perspectives can share in anything like a Universe-In-itself.  Rather, to each Perspective of Consciousness, experiences are sensed to "collapse" to a renormalizing interpretation of Information.

So, are we causal agents, or just interpreting epiphenomena?  Or are we Scouts, reconnoitering for the apprehensions and appreciations of the Godhead?  In that role, perhaps our appreciations affect how the Godhead will reconcile to present a Perspective of unfoldment of Universe to each of us.  In that, we would each experience not Free Will, but Participatory Will.  As we appreciate, apprehend, understand, so also may our interpretive capacities expand.  We come powerfully to participate in how an experience of World is to unfold.

Quantum Fuzz is the potential for renormalization for that which has not yet to a particular Perspective been normalized.  If the Infinity and Eternity of Consciousness, Substance, and Information can at some level of Quantum Fuzz beyond mortal Physics be summed, that sum may be conceptualized as a meta-steady-state, even though it may present in infinitely various ways to infinitely possible and shared Perspectives.

What is the Point of this meta-rumination?  To suggest s meta, spiritual, innate, inherent value in connecting and empathetic experiences of conscious participation with the World.

Wednesday, September 13, 2017

Moral Scientism


When it comes to managing a discussion forum, I suspect Conservatives tend to believe each adult should be primarily responsible for steering his own way, and that such course tends to be best helped by according broad tolerance for give and take in the exchange of ideas.  I suspect Progressives tend to believe they have found the Truth and that there is little need to avail the little people to learn it on their own.  Theirs is to shut up and obey.  So, when communication becomes controversial, Progressives will tend to be the first to shut down further exploration of ideas and their consequences.  The result is the infantilizing of the masses and the generation of a two class society, comprised of rulers and those whose only duty is but to obey.  I suspect this is why Progressives/Socialists tend to produce fascism.

I suspect people who are receptive in walking with their own sense of higher mindedness, without needing to be intrusively evangelistic about it, tend to be similar in their practice of altruism in respect of strangers. It's intrusive fundies and militants who are often the problem.

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Otoh, when full and heated debate is encouraged, it becomes more likely that ideas can be explored, improved, falsified, and assimilated.  For that, I suspect Conservatives (Conservers of Liberty) tend to have an innate advantage over Progressives when a full exchange of ideas is encouraged.  Otoh, Progressives tend to have an advantage when they can gang up to enforce speech codes in ways that are discriminatory against Conservatives.  From what I have seen, it's as if Progressives fear they might be exposed as shallow in their thinking.  Just my opinion.

The person who wants to use science to take away the moral participation of his fellows is halfway to making himself a subhuman souldead. When subhuman souldeads reach critical mass, they float only their own crap to all positions of institutional power. Critical Souldead Theory.

Math and models are important, but this Climate Science Debacle demonstrates the problem when Math Nerds start believing the bs that they and their Elite Masters push:  That they ought to replace representative republicanism.  For that, their facts are inadequate to their premise.  This is the problem with all fake social scientists and moral scientisimists.  To follow them tends to be to volunteer for monstrous fascist central rule.  Under the guise of central carbon banking, world government, open borders, moral scientisimism, and fake fairness and equality.
More than that, there lies a fundamental problem at the core of social scientism.  It presumes something that, on more mature reflection, seems not true.  It presumes that, given enough facts and tinkering with explanatory models, all human action can best be subjected to science-based, totalitarian rule.  Why defer to the ordinary electorate, when everything can best be determined by science?
Problem is, the way our cosmos of consciousness, substance, and information fluxes, we get to measure correlates and dynamic feedback, but not ultimate causes.  And we don't get to test our social "sciences" against a parallel cosmos in which everything but the test factor is kept constant.  Every time something new in measurable Substance is added to the Information base, something new in immeasurable Conscious awareness is also added.  And that Conscious Awareness can redesign and change course unexpectedly, in response to each new factor and model that is added. 
IOW, we participate in the feedback-design for the unfolding of our World, as well as for how we change ourselves in it --- with respect to our interests, mores, customs, values, and purposes.  There are nearly always unforeseen consequences to systemic changes.  Since we change our very selves, how can we say, in "science," what is best for us for all time?  Answer:  We cannot.  To argue that we can is to over indulge facts that are inadequate to their premise.
Simply put, it is hubristic for science nerds to pretend they can measure and model what is best in terms of social science, because their models can never be entirely complete, consistent, and coherent for all needs and purposes.  Moreover, it is evil for oligarchs to farm the people at large by hiring Nerds For Fooling The People, Shills For Picking The People's Pockets, and Crowds For Hire.
To find our way forward, we can use science and measurable facts, but we must not abandon conscious, participatory, responsible, individual human insight, intuition, and empathy.  To do so would be to force many among us into a category of farmed subhumans.  That is the Evil of Fascists, Socialists, and Moral Scieitisimists --- wannabe knowitall people farmers, all.

Lefty moral scientisimists do not believe they should have to listen to anyone beneath their delusions and pretensions about themselves. Except for lip service and kabuki, that is. They think the problem with the Court of King Louis XVI is that he did not do elitism right.

Re: "The elites are using illegal immigration to change the composition of America to resemble the Third World and anyone who tells us it is for our own good, or not a big deal is sorely mistaken."
Those elites are rotten to the bone. They would tell us that anyone of any color who advocates for a representative republic of free thinking enterprisers is "acting white" or "white privileged." IOW, they bring race into a non-race issue, and then have the chutzpah to call us racists, while they are the biggest racists and belly-crawling subhumanoids on the planet. They constantly hammer race to divide us, then call us the dividers. These corrupt belly-crawlers have been with us since Genesis. But the time for believing their evil, forked tongues is over. The time for a roundup of belly crawlers is nigh.

Corrupt money now buys incredible influence over social mores simply by laundering money with the right institutions. So many of our prideful institutions spent years convincing us how virtuous and elite they are. Now, they take money from the worst of goons and sell the masses into depravity. When they own Harvard, they own a base for corrupting Western Values. Ditto, Courts, Congress, NYT, WaPo, CNN, Clinton Foundation, Crowds on Demand, Media Matters, and what loosely now calls itself Social Scientists and Churches. And so it goes.
Meanwhile, College Kids, more than ever, are not taught how to think, but taught not to think at all (beyond PC). This is a very big problem for most of the world. The more liberty-illiterates that are imported and indoctrinated into the U.S., the more certain it becomes that our representative republic (except in pretense) is in its last days.
In NoKo, people get their minds right at the point of a gun. In the U.S., they volunteer to go deep into debt to get themselves indoctrinated by those who own and operate the institutions. As mind slaves, which are the more loathsome: Those forced into mind enslavement, or those who line up to volunteer for it? In neither event will string pullers have any respect for the mind slaves. The system, as currently rigged, would not select them if they did.

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The Border:  Actually, I don't trust a word you say.  I think you should just admit, you don't want a border.  You want Soros' Open Society.  We see how the people funding and agitating for that operate.  A lot of fake sympathy, fake innocence, and fake *scholarship.  We know what you and your cohort really want.
 Your efforts go unabated, to flip the demographic, so that we will have a new electoral majority that will vote for its own enserfment under the bs meme of social justice, equality, and fairness, i.e., socialism imposed by the usual breed of fake do-gooders, like Kim.  Socialistic crap.
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*The use of easy stats to imply direct correlations is suspect.  For one thing, given all the years South Americans have been illegally crossing the border, it stands to reason that the supply would diminish at some point.  Especially as Mexico enforces its southern border, and as it clears out a lot of its backlog of wannabe crossers.  And as Mexico wants to help the political argument that a wall is not necessary.
Moreover, Lefties would want to cooperate to produce or show a temporary drop, while they finagle for "comprehensive solutions."  Once comprehensive solutions are enacted, it's back to the game plan for opening the borders. 
Every person who values the representative republic sees the axis of Dinos and Rinos as plain as day.  And we simply do not trust or believe you, anymore.  Nor do we trust your scholarship on illegal voting.  After all, if you truly valued the republic, you would not be a staunch supporter of Lefties and Socialists.

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Altruism is innate, but you can't force its degree or level.  It occurs as a result of wiring, proximity, and similarity --- to such an extent that you identify the person you are being empathetic towards, as if he were an extension of yourself.  Mothers identify with their children.  Not so much with distant and unseen children, absent special conditioning and inspiration. 
The reason Communism fails is because it cannot inspire the necessary empathy among disparate and distant clans, cultures, and countries.  A parent will be altruistic to a child, regardless.  But one city will not tend to be altruistic towards another unless groundwork is laid to inspire and organize general shared participation.  Once traditional families are destroyed and child rearing is turned over to the State, altruism will weaken and decent civilization will unravel.
To put it plain, I do not much see Islamists who engage in FGM, child marriage, killing of apostates, banning of music, destruction of free expression, spreading of mass fear, constant jihad against other civilizations, dhimmification of infidels, and neurotic thinking about fairyland metaphors as if they were science based, as extensions of my identity.  I do not want to work to pay taxes to support the spread of such a way of thinking or life.  My general altruism to future generations of human beings forbids it.
A person otherwise good in science and math has to study stupidity hard to apply them to aspects of beingness to which every person of common sense knows they do not apply.  The idea of a scientific allocation of equality and fairness (or even the greatest pleasure to the greatest number) is so filled with obvious internal flaws that only studiously stupid goose steppers and their usefully idiotic brownshirts could believe in such moronic idealization.

You have a reading comprehension problem.  Natural empathy is distorted because of perpetual infants being abused by people farmers.  People farmers are rapacious, whether it be by crony capitalism or by thug nomenklatura. 

Our Founders sought to check and balance for a representative republic, that availed free enterprise.   Buying and selling gov and gov influence, like commodities, is not free enterprise.  It is something a representative republic needs to check.  I have suggested ways that might help accomplish that.  (They include:  Restore common sense to the public square.  Progressively tax consumption, especially consumption of gov influence.  And a number of other things.)

Everything out of moderation can become bad.  To say that immoderate capitalism is bad is not to evidence that free enterprise within a sustainable political system is bad.  It is just childish spit balling.  The way of every form and set of form is that they eventually become genetic drag to the flux of the encompassment, as it unfolds in its various states of becoming manifest.

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I would stand firm in my faith that the Godhead is Trinitarian, we are all simply differing and limited perspectives of the same Consciousness, empathy is a fundament more so than an emergent, atheists tend to be drama queens who know least about what they don't know, Jesus was an exemplar of good faith and good will, there is no unitary thing-in-itself that we can comprehend, we tend to become as we believe, coming together in respect of innate empathy tends to help us move towards decent civilization that respects familial freedom and dignity.
Consciousness as a fundamental aspect of the trinity does not die, it is only temporal perspectives of Consciousness that flux and pass on between their seeming emergences and their seeming endings, all this has been said before but in different modalities and sequences, appreciation between the reconciling Godhead and its exploring perspectives is a dynamic feedback process, we tend to reap as we sew, an underlying message behind the metaphors of most sacred and inspiring stories remains not inconsistent, and the main message of Jesus as derived from the stars and through the ages remains not inconsistent with all of that.
People who try hardest to take metaphors literally tend to hoax themselves.  The task of a spiritual leader is to help people see truths through the mists of metaphors.  For mortals, there is no other way to approach "the way and the truth and the light."  Otoh, the task of a denier of the essential truths behind metaphors, who seeks to replace the hopes and insights that metaphors can inspire with the phony truths of moral scientismists, is to reduce human beings to subhuman serfs in the service of knowitall elitists and oligarchs.  IOW, to sell the masses into bondage under false promises of benevolent fairness, equality, and "progress" ---  to be provided by people farmers and their new world alchemy based on moral scientism.

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What about the Normal Wing v. the Abnormal Wing? Is the Normal Wing more dangerous?

Normal for a human being is to want to become a competent, responsible, decent, respectable adult. But a lot of people nowadays are led into gross abnormality. There's profit in that. Entire cultures and countries to cannibalize. Plus fun. Fun to poke your stuff around against everyone who ever made you feel insecure. So how does an Abbie cope? Find and maraud with homies. Gain control over the definition of morality. Base it in "moral science," to render all opponents illegitimate. This is how you tear down a civilization, and have fun doing it. S/

There is a difference between providing information for social and moral advice based on wisdom borne of experience versus staking a claim that such advice is founded in moral science. If it were founded in moral science, it should be testable and falsifiable. But life is not like that. We do not get to live out a number of simultaneous and blind test alternatives. Life moves on before that can be done. So moral advice necessarily relies on wisdom rather than on science. Now, if one supposes mechanical, physical applications rely on science, no one disputes that. But only a fool would argue that moral applications are mechanically controllable in a scientific sense. Such a fool may argue that chocolate ice cream is scientifically better than vanilla, or spinach. Or that such science is settled by consensus. Or that, but for Alexander, Persia would never have been conquered. Or that moral science shows that a particular child should spend x time on y games and z studies.

The people who argue their abnormal drives are blessed as superior by moral science do so because they cannot argue based on what is seen to be normal or the wisdom of the ages. So they cheat and claim the blessing of "moral science." Perhaps the same people would argue that economics based on free enterprise is or has become immoral? Perhaps economics is not part of their moral science? So, should they (like Obama) deem it more moral to have fair and equal distribution of misery, or vast distribution of wealth, however unequal? Perhaps, instead of a feedback and participatory process of Reconciliation, some Oracular Oligarch tells them which goal is most blessed in nature as "moral science"?

An illustration: If by imposing draconian measures we sustain populations while reducing climate change, but such attempt to hold back time and defend evolutionary drag instead greases evolutionary opportunities for bugs and diseases, then how has science shown such a path to be "more moral"? Can any moral scientisimist even say whether a mother should love her child no more than any other, or a citizen should love his country no more than any other?

To argue that principles of scientific falsifiability should be applied even to those subjects and concerns that are obviously and innately beyond falsification is the height of moral scientismic stupidity and trained bot-ism. It is the mark of a brain that has been deformed by weird predilections and/or deliberate indoctrination for bot-ism, for bots whose "special purpose" is to jerk off society. Are college kids no longer trained to actually think for themselves about moral issues, instead of just how to mouth pc platitudes and hate the USA?

To think the putsch to import ever more immigrants from nations with little history for supporting individual freedom of expression or enterprise is not a divisive and dangerous attack by a corrupt and abnormal oligarchy and its useful idiots against our representative republic is the stance of a fool, i.e., a moral scientisimist.

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Too date, few scientists have been so presumptuous that science, in matters of morality, can replace values based on social relationships. To revert to slippery slope caricature is to display utter cluelessness with regard to the push for central carbon banking, one world currency, open borders, openness to international law, expulsion of faith based values from the schools and public square, and the assault on traditional families. To say it plainly, if you can't see the assault on the representative republic, then you are too blind to give credence concerning any moral concern.
You need to learn more how to read and less how to presume. Your argument based on historical and Catholic Church influences is a strain too far. Catholicism was not popular among America's Founders. Whatever the political deficiency of Catholicism, that was not of significant influence among the Founders.
IAE, if you want to apply a science based model and falsifiability to issues of morality, you might first postulate a rigorous model, how to acquire and measure reliable data, how to square the circle with regard to what is best for a person a group and a time, and how to derive a science based formula for measuring degrees of morality, etc. Until then, your pretended justification for Soros' Open Society amount to bunk.
When you base moral values on scientific falsifiability, you display all the understanding of a bot. When you read and perhaps have a real thought, get back to me. Until then, be well, but I would decline invitation to a bot dialogue. If you ever ponder whether schools, media, and other institutions have indoctrinated regurgitators instead of thinkers, you might look in the mirror.

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Moral scientisimist is my term of derision for a person who tries to convince himself or others that his methods for determining moral values are or can be strictly grounded in science. Read up on Sam Harris, who thinks science of neurology can lead us to how to make moral decisions, perhaps based on what tends to provide the most pleasure for the most people for the least effort. Once the masses can be convinced that moral, social, and political decisions should be based on such science, it becomes but a short leap to argue that no one unfamiliar with such science should be allowed to participate in the decision making process. This leads to a two class society: So-called scientists who pretend to know how to make the best moral decisions, to be willing and trustworthy to make such decisions, and so to rule over everyone else. (For goodness sakes, why else do you think there has been such a push for central carbon banking, one world currency, open borders, openness to international law, expulsion of faith based values from the schools and public square, assault on traditional families, and on and on and on?)
The middle class you want would not be allowed in such a two class society. It would be divided, penned, multi-cultured, and ruled. There would be the oligarchy of people farmers and the divided rabble of farmees. After all, why should trained moral scientisimists defer to the untrained rabble?
This is what you get with open borders, an overflow of laborers desperate to compete for cheap jobs, and centralized consolidation of oligarchic wealth and power.
An independently wealthy middle class is not a commonality. It arises when a society shares many of the same values. That is when they can more confidently trust that their sense of fair play, good faith, and good will is shared by others. That trust is lost as wealth and power are consolidated and the masses are excluded. As faith in higher mindedness is replaced by forced rule under fake moral scientisimists, what may once have been a free thinking middle class becomes a herd of sheeple, to be told what to value and believe ... because "science" ....
The wealthy middle class you speak of has been a recent and short termed phenomena, most often arising in nations with a strong Christian foundation. America's Founders were mainly brought up under a system of Christian values. Not Jewish, Hindi, Law Drooling, Moral Scientism, Marxist, or Muslim based values.
Beyond economics, there is the matter of becoming an autonomous, free-thinking, responsible adult versus a subhuman, corrupt, people-farmer or ignorant farmee. A capable, responsible, adult human being would not value group security, fascist fairness, or Marxist equality over individual freedom of expression, enterprise, and association. But an indoctrinee under moral scientism would.
To my thinking, a moral scientisimist is someone with so little understanding of history and humanity that he would sell his soul for an extra widget. Or a bigger orgasm.
Good faith and good will based on receptivity to a higher Reconciler had everything to do with the design, budding, and growth of a wealthy middle class under the shared vision of the Founders. That vision was based on Christian values and a budding respect for the freedom and dignity of all citizens of the new republic. As the ideals of the Founders with regard to faith, family, and fidelity are unraveled and trampled, that republic cannot survive. The middle class of which you speak will instead turn to ashes.

What marks an act or thing as temporally right or wrong is not in the act or thing itself, but in how it is assimilated over time in a feedback process with that which reconciles history. The process is dynamic. If we want to promote the farming of most people as animals, with the fairness of that entrusted to moral scientisimists, we can conceptualize a justness to that. How the Reconciler manifests to any given world or time is influenced by how various temporal agents conceptualize. Over time, we become what we conceptualize.
The writing seems to be on the wall that much of the world wants to conceptualize moral fairness and equality as something not to be entrusted to each person in his/her relationship with higher mindedness, but instead to be entrusted to those who make themselves wealthy and powerful enough to control the media that shapes most minds and what is politically permissible for them to believe.


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When people think and act in good faith and good will, they can be conceptualized as acting in respect of Godliness -- whether or not they want to use that term. A person can be godly and still be repulsed by the term.
Regardless, when that which is good or godly is removed from the assimilative discussion of the masses (in public squares and churches) and handed over to moral scientisimists, that marks a sudden turn back to fascist despotism.

Much of the God debate is silly, because it is a debate that is controlled by conceptualizations. If moral goodliness is conceptualized as based on a connecting, reconciling capacity for empathy (good faith and good will), then God can be conceptualized as simply the innate source for that connecting, reconciling empathy. Such conceptualization implicates respect for goodliness that is beyond oneself, which is the basis for higher mindedness. Conscious Mind is such that, if given the same particular origin and sequential unfoldment of experiences, it would generally signify the manifestations of its mortal perspectives in the same way. Under that conceptualization, thou art simply a (local, temporal) agent for the Reconciling God. As ye conceptualize, so shall your soul (and your civilization) be turned.
What is the consequence of deep seated lack of higher mindedness? Well, it is the reverse toilet. The promotion of self serving crap over the free thinking society. Expulsion of moral debate from the public square, with replacement by moral scientismists in the employ of corrupt people farmers. Tenure for those willing to deny freedom of expression in order to serve some rising despot's twisting of "fairness and equality." Political favors for money laundering pigs at the public trough. Constant agitation and division of the masses in order to enrich and empower the few. Selective advantage to the most corrupt and evil of people farming wannabes, whose debate skills center around putting makeup on their demons.

Every society that sins greatly will eventually fight sin with sin. Great goats will need to be made and then sacrificed. For idiotic Proggies, the goat-du-jour is the white male Christian American. When the battle gets hot and we who respect faith, family and fidelity finally tire of being made the goat, we will return the favor. The alternative is to allow the destruction of the faith, family, and fidelity that is essential to sustain decent civilization.

Unfortunately, few responsible brains remain among our multifarious institutions. Most brains have been bribed, intimidated, compromised, drugged, indoctrinated, or overrun. Indeed, our colleges are filled with sods who actually go into great debt to become indoctrinated to serve the new world enserfment.
EDIT: Like their heroes, they want to get scruued, and likely they will get scruued.

Societies that broadly respect rather than punish the moral responsibility of family units have been rare. Such societies are hard to establish, but easy to undermine. Almost inevitably, they are undermined by clueless narcissists whose perpetual infantilism was made possible only because of such family units. They destroy what they utterly fail to appreciate. They are proof you can put lipstick on squishes. And now, too many otherwise decent people are running from the squishes --- turning them into role models instead of ridiculing and reviling them. We felt so sorry on account of their victim act that we allowed them, in recompense, to undermine our civilization.
EDIT: To feel the absurdity, imagine Spartans running from men in lace and lipstick.

Use Fake Science to divide and rule. Support the Left as it divides. Support the Right as it replaces individual responsibility with herd control under elite scientisimists. Wallah! The open range, free cowboying of the intimidated herds. Git along little doggies, it's your misfortune.

Our system has been made a reverse toilet, as it projects crap to the uppermost positions of power, while resolutely refusing to flush it. It appears, indeed, that you can put lipstick on a t***,

Christianity does not seem complicated. The Godhead is Trinitarian. Yolo is false. Good faith and good will are important. Honoring your father and mother is important. It is only when schools under authoritarians claim special license to speak or interpret directly for Christ and power to enforce such interpretation on pain of confiscation. torture or death that such so-called schools become complicated.

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No one has posited a consistent, coherent, complete explanation. So words like reality, morality, belief, etc., are not completely understood in common. There will always be the opportunity for people to talk past one another.
I don't think the Universe is evidence of the God of any sacred text. Sacred texts tend to deal with beginnings and end times. I don't think either existentiality or God are like that. I think they are perpetual, beyond end time inventions, maybe infinite and eternal.
A more interesting question is whether there abides good reason to advocate for belief in a generally compassionate and reconciling Godhead.
If you value the freedom, dignity, good faith, and good will of individual citizens over the presumptive diktat of Progressive Moral Scientisimists, then that is one reason. Likewise, if you value the principles under the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights. But for the New Testament, I doubt the values expressed in those documents would have assimilated.
There are some other arguments, that relate to how existentiality may not be quite what scientists want to model it as. (Some scientists raise their heads to pose questions, but they tend to be shot down with "Shut up and calculate!")
Looking for ultimate causes among the cosmos is like expecting to beat the Trinitarian Godhead at Three Card Monty.
A photon carries information in respect of the pervious Substance with which it collided or interacted. If it interacts with nothing but space-time in the interim, then its dimness, intensity, frequency, wavelength may convey some general information with regard to the space-time traversed in the interim, subject to guesswork for renormalizing in respect of space-time curvature.
EMR appears to interact with curvatures in space-time such that it is not allowed to carry or convey Information unless the Information is renormalized to show general "flatness" in all directions. That is, regardless of locus in space-time, no observer will be privileged to sense the Universe except as being, in relation to him, of generally equal density in all directions.
If our Universe were the creation of something or someone outside it, then the limits for the space-time-matter-energy of our Universe would be within a form, such as a "bubble" or sphere. It would have an apparent perimeter. It would appear to dissipate, rather than to be equally dense and dissipate in all directions. But it does not do that.
This suggests that the model-idea of a "bubble" is only a metaphor --- good for some purposes, not for others. (Shut up and calculate.) IOW, our Universe is not really a bubble, nor does it really have a center from which it exploded outward in some Big Bang. Even though such conceptualizations can be made highly practical and useful for some purposes.
Our Universe is not a bubble-artifact of any physical Big Bang. The model of a Big Bang may just as well be conceptualized as an artifact of whatever the perspectives of Consciousness that we happen to share.
The model (that our Universe arose from a collapsed Singularity) is just that --- a model --- not "The Truth." For all we know, the "ultimate cause" may better be conceptualized, for scientific AND moral purposes, as expressing itself only in the trinity-flux and phase-shifting of CSI. For that, we factor and participate in the unfolding apprehension and appreciation.
So there does not appear to be any causal agent for the curvature of space-time or its apparent flatness in all directions. Rather, that effect appears to be a correlate of how the trinity fluxes among Consciousness, Substance, and Information. Ultimately, more as correlate than cause. (Surely, some meta/immeasurable flux accounts for the curvature and flattening, not mere random clusters of dense Substance or Matter.)
Consciousness can experience and sense caring, regardless of whether or not it (or anyone or anything else) is the "true causal agent." Subject to its unfolding reconciliatory function, Consciousness as a Whole cares about each of its Perspectives as much as each Perspective cares. Jesus Wept. That idea supports church-forums to come, reason together, and assimilate moral values and purposefulness. The alternative seems to be bad faith, division, and enserfment under morally-diseased people farmers.

Most of Congress are more like chits in the pockets of funders than representatives on behalf of their constituents. They give their influence to their funders, but mainly lip service to their constituents. Except the constituents helping to destroy the republic. Those they give the gas. This will continue so long as oligarchs are allowed to retain wealth for greasing the open season open borders against the republic. A third Party for Conservers of Liberty may offer the only hope for the republic. If it had even small success, it may expand to a bipartisan caucus.

Re: "liberal democratic order that it views as a threat to its oligarchy"
I am glad this is on PRB, where crap can be called crap. Every person with an ounce of sense appreciates how oligarchies thrive by dividing and ruling so-called democratic orders. That is why our Founders crafted a representative republic, not a democracy. The REASON prog-lib-antifa-fascist morons want so-called "more democracy" is so that oligarchs can run riot over the people by paying for Crowds On Demand.
Russia has its own version of Prog-Lib-Fascism for "scientifically" ruling its "democracy." The whole thing for Prog Morons is posing fake social science (critical race studies, ad nauseum) as science, the better to indoctrinate reams and reams of doped up dupes.
To postulate that Russia fears a liberal democratic order is pure idiocy. Russian oligarchs do not fear our lib morons. Russian oligarchs make use of our lib morons -- for the useful idiots they are. Our usefully idiotic Libs are busy killing Western Civ by importing and indoctrinating liberty-illiterates out the wazoo. Why would Russia, if it wants to dominate, stand in their way?
One thing is certain: Whatever the talking points coordinated by the handful of oligarchs that run Western media, they are all bent to a narrative for promoting scientifically imposed "fairness and equality" -- as deemed by the oligarchs. They are bent on farming you, not on respecting you as a person. Their ghettos and Section 8 housing programs are people farms, for raising needed dupes.
I can think of only one reason why Russia may favor Trump. I suspect it would be because Russia views the Clinton/Bush Dino/Rino axis as serving a competing mob of lying oligarchs posing as democracy lovers, bent on putting the world in chaos. Russia has likely become more pragmatic and nationalistic, and not desirous of the NWO. The Clinton/Bush axis would want to take the oligarch/useful idiot meme to a worldwide level, while Trump would not try to impose that kind of dystopia on Russia. I suspect most of the new, conniving, lying dreamers of a NWO of oligarchic ruled socialism are from the West, not from Russia.
The Antifa of the Left calls Conservatives "fascists," while Antifa serves the real fascism. They call the liberal democratic order a threat to oligarchs, when, in actuality, the modern liberal democratic order is the handmaiden for oligarchs. They are big filthy liars who pay liars to propagate lies.

Fascism and Communism will always be fashionable among people who think science, to the exclusion of faith (good faith and good will) holds all the best answers to all our moral, social concerns. These people want to be ruled under moral science, to the exclusion of faith and participation by those they deem to be insufficiently educated in moral scientism. They want to be ruled by busybody moral scientisimists under a NWO or a dictatorship of the proletariat. They hate republicanism that is representative of the common citizen. Moreover, they are bent to import and indoctrinate so many liberty-illiterates as to make representative republicanism non-feasible, if not impossible. IOW, good people slept while mind-toddlers throwing fits flooded our schools, borders, and institutions. There will be much fit-throwing, goat loving, and sacrificing before this can be resolved.
The Left does not want moral responsibility, but it does want to rule.

I already answered. You were not paying attention. It has to do with inspiring and facilitating the assimilation of values that can sustain decent civilization without the over intrusion of knowital law droolers.
The idea.of an essential, unifying, reconciling aspect of Consciousness is indeed spiritual and religious. Perhaps you are religious, but only slowly beginning to apprehend it? That's ok. Rand, Assimov and Deutsch were/are similarly afflicted.

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You want me to accept your axiom, while you are unwilling to think about the essentials of spirituality -- the character and nature of consciousness and identity. Those are hardly supernatural, by the way. Because of that, I have.no reason to take you as any kind of serious critic on the subject.
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I don't seek an explanation for what created the cosmos. I concern myself with how to appreciate the cosmos as having abided, and apparently to abide, always. Mainly, I seek appreciation for the character/nature of how the cosmos is guided and reconciled as it fractalizes it's myriad of signals, expressions, information, and communications. I seek appreciation for that process by which our innate artistic purposefulness is guided, connected, and reconciled.
For that unfolding, evolution is at least a two way street. It is not predetermined by a scientific, bot program. As a system, the cosmos is dynamically responsive to feedback. Mortals participate. We can become powerful agents for helping to define how evolution unfolds.
The Buddha and Socrates sought the essence of consciousness. That is not in what separates us, but in what unifies and connects us. At root, we are of the same consciousness. It is only our temporal experiences and situations that avail is to have temporarily separate perspectives of Identity. You may believe or behave as if your identity were fixed apart, but that is delusion.
It is only our form-like variability in local perspectives that avail is to act and believe as if we were separate identities
But those local variations are not permanent. You and what you think you believe will not be the same tomorrow as today. Your temporal experience of Identity, like every other Perspexrive's, is in continuous flux. Whatever it's source, it is continuously coordinated and reconciled with Consciousness --- which, at its root, is of the same essence for every perspective.
This is not worship of any particular perspective, but of that which reconciles all perspectives.
My point is that religious belief can be based in reason and self evidence. Your denial is just that --- inconsiderate denial. You simply decline to think about it. Which is fine. Until you pretend to know something about it.

It does not appear that you have thought much about the nature of consciousness or identity. Or the feedback capacity for even local perspectives of consciousness to participate in how the unfolding design for evolution proceeds.

Do you believe I (have faith in) the conscious higher mindedness and general good Will of others? Do you believe or not believe that a person can be morally wrong or right, according to some kind of higher law or standard? Does science "legislate" that law? When it changes according to the common weallll, is it science that reconciles that?

I am not saying everyone is an atheist. I am saying no atheist has much of an idea what he/she is.
The reason to care: Because we all seek, but do not achieve, fulfillment. We are social animals. We seek common purposes and values. We seek forums in which to reason together, to put what common definition we can in such values. Churches can, not necessarily do, provide forums for people to come together in good faith and good will to invest their egos and identities in common purposes. Metaphors and music can provide the language and inspiration to facilitate that. I would rather have that process than a process of phony elite moral scientisimists laying out law drooling legalisms to rule us out the wazoo.
That's why our Founders were guided mainly by the New, not the Old, Testament. The rule of good faith (Great Commandment) and the rule of good will (Golden Rule). When you erase those, you are well on the way to erasing the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, to convert us to a master-slave despotism.
It's not my supernatural realm. it's the realm that defines all of us. You think you "know" reality. But ourselves, our world, our cosmos could be obliterated tomorrow, and your reality, for all "you" in your mortal sense would know, would have never been more than a fictional figment of the image-ination of the Trinitarian Godhead of Consciousness-Substance-In-form-ation. Yet, you have no comprehension of what any Source of such obliteration may be.
Non-belief is as impossible as non-choice. To choose not to do something is to effect a choice. You, as a perspective of Consciousness, cannot exist without formulating or expressing goals, hopes, purposes, beliefs. Indeed, you write now to express your belief, certainly not conjured out of pure science, that non-belief "has every advantage that belief has and you also don't have to pretend anything". But that is self contradictory and self defeating. If you have no beliefs, then you have no belief that any pursuit or art is worthwhile. How is that of any advantage? How can that inspire people to come together? If, after congratulating yourself on non-belief, you sit with fellow congratulators and get bigly high on non-productive dopery, how is that an advantage in any sensible math or science? No one gets to live without pretending that some of his purposes are more worthwhile than others.
I do not concern myself with speaking for other believers or with Pascal's Wager. Why would you bring that up? I just said I do not believe in a heavenly hereafter. Rather, I believe in an Eternal Now, for which our bodies simply cycle through various formulations for repetitively expressing many of the same kinds of fears and joys. (This is a little different from Nietzsche's Eternal Return. Nietzsche indicated he would thank the demon that could offer to allow him to re-live the same life over and over again, for eternity. I think Consciousness experiences much the same fears and joys, in perpetuity, but not in precisely the same chassis, body, or sequence.)

A person can believe in God as the reconciling aspect of the flux of the immeasurably qualitative consciousness with the measurable aspect of substance and the cumulative recording aspect of previous history. As such, God signifies and communicates in metaphors and models set to substantive measurables. We do not directly sense any substantive reality. We experience what substantive reality is like. To say what something is like is to apply a metaphor to it.
IOW, we experience what we call reality through models and metaphors. None of which are ever entirely consistent, coherent, and complete. We are able to communicate because of a process of give-and-take feedback and reconciliation, that never quite reaches fulfillment or perfection. If it were not for models and metaphors, we would have no means of communication about sequences, feedback, events, desires, or beliefs.
The only reason you are able to postulate that "No literal belief is indistinguishable from no belief" is because you apply a fuzzy and fluxing model, at some subconscious level, concerning a meaning of "literal" (or "real"). I am saying we never quite get to know what reality really is. Apart from truisms, there is little of reality that we "really know." However, there are working conventions that we happen to share, for our temporally fluxing bubble.
So, we can, because of conscious engagement in give and take, communicate about our changing experiences and values --- which we assume to be real and function "as if" they were real. Much as we can try to hold lightning in our hands in a bubble, while we discuss it. But we are not really holding it. Rather, we are fluxing with it, as it fluxes with us, for a bubble that itself is changing.
It is a mistake to try to confine God within an end-times-bubble, to be caretaker of some heavenly hereafter bubble for some ideal of permanently unchanging souls. We never live in the hereafter, but only in the here and now, i.e., The Eternal Present. It is when we idealize God as the caretaking-prisoner of an end-times-bubble that we often mis-model God as some misanthropic master-slave monster.

Forget Muslims. The idea of a God (Allah?) or Elite Despot to lead humanity to an end to history is an insult to free thinkers. An end-to-history-God-or-Hegelian can easily be abused by corrupt mouthpieces to lead us into master (Allah) and/or slave (Sheeple) thinking. Humanity should be about more than service to master/slave (Mohammad/Stalin) charismatics. Humanity should be about direct feedback relationships with an inviting Reconciler.
Is Skynet/Borgdom unavoidable? Is Putin right, that nations will fall to that despotism that first gains first strike capability over all opponents' drones? Must society fall to the most corrupt despot who gains sudden control over the most deadly technology? If that is considered unavoidable, must society fall, because every despot calculates that, if he is not first to do his despotism, then others will be?
Nietzsche looked to Will to Power, but succumbed to diseased madness after piously sobbing over a horse that lay dying of being whipped. His sister, not he, published his ruminations on a morality to replace Christian charity. Later, the Nazis parodied and bastardized that into a film, Triumph of the Will.
Perhaps Jesus was about something more than Christian charity to help us see a way beyond the possible cyborg-ian replacement of humanity. If such a way exists.
Can inspiration to assimilate civilizing empathy (faith, family, fidelity) forestall the obliteration of human morality? Can it defeat Rino Corrupti and Dino Ignoranti, and forestall the legalese out the wa-zoo that is so much the desire of law droolers?
Like Nietzsche, I would criticize an orthodoxy that blindly rationalized the spirituality of heaven and the hereafter over the spiritual art of the here and now. I think we never live except in the present, i.e., the here and now. I think the S (substance) and I (information) aspects of CSI will be with us --- whatever the perspectives of C (consciousness) --- in perpetuity.
However, I would not agree with an atheistic elitist who thinks we are free to "kill God" or to create or legislate our own values. We are not ourselves the sum of the Determiner. We are system-feedback-participants. I think we are only free, under God's grace, to part-icipate in how our values are to be consciously interpreted, appreciated, assimilated, fluxed, and Reconciled.
My stance is one of humility before God, but disinclination to bow to elitist despots. Neither master-wolf nor slave-sheep, but black sheep with attitude. Equipped with Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights. F Zoo-man Zoolander!

Systems based in pure materialism often float demonic, self-godded, lyng Oligarchs to power, everywhere. Including in America and China.
Other nations and cultures often revile Americans not for their ideals but for falling so far from them, by allowing themselves to ceaselessly promote and be ruled under self-godded, morally corrupt, oligarchs. Their angst is multiplied as they recognize that the brutality of the modern world, especially during the first half of the 20th Century, has continued to put their own cultures under similarly corrupt rule. They recognize how far practical reality is removed from big lying idealism.
Many people of China were trained under Confucianism, with regard for familial virtue throughout institutions and rulers. They want virtue and virtuous rulers. They want to get away from immoderation, war and corruption. But the 20th Century would not let them. So they tipped to lying immoderation in their ideals, which resulted in totalitarian communism, i.e., an excuse for self-godded nomenklatura to farm the masses, with the withering away of the state only a grand big lie.
Today, communism is recognized as a failed ideal, but so is phony free trade and oligarchy-mooching capitalism. So China has a hybrid of rule under phony princeling-capitalists. Yet, they have an ideal of cultural assimilation. Under any NWO, they would see their society as superior. Under Confucianism, they likely would hope eventually to assimilate a superior republic that would accord familial respect for independent thought throughout the republic-family.
However, that ideal and hope will be subordinated to rule under princeling-capitalist-oligarchs, until the brutal threats under modern harsh self-goddingness can be subjugated. The harshness has been reflected in China's brutal policy of one-child per family. IOW, they rely on their own self-goddeds to protect them from other self-goddeds.
Without respect for a process for assimilating good faith, we are lost to lying self-godded demons.
What we have in the world are self-goddeds ruling and competing over every divided nation-culture. Who can say where this will lead? Confucius died bitter. But his devotees planted trees and kept his dream alive: That humanity should rule itself more as a virtuous family than as farm animals under the totalitarian rule of brutal despots. That we should assimilate virtue, more so than legislate it. Faith, family, fidelity, instead of humans being farmed under giant goose steps of legalese and big lies.


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The bigger the gov gets, the more pay-to-play it becomes. The Uniparty lives and breathes on funny money. So who carries the actual load to do the good work? That would be the ordinary Americans, who get excoriated for their trouble as being greedy. Even as Rinos mooch multiple times over what they give, and Dinos give not at all. Their "charity" is bossing the producers while blaming them for having jobs. The enemy did not storm the gates. It grew as parasites, from within.

If coming generations of Americans do not want to kill the host and drown in parasite soup, they may want to consider:
- Stop blindly deferring to phony pc profs and moral scientisimists as authorities on civic concerns.
- Defend the borders.
- Enact a single payer health care system similar to that of Australia.
- Eliminate minimum wage laws.
- Provide a guaranteed minimum income for every person who is 21 years of age and older.
- Make it a safety net, not a hammock.
- Enact incentives not to have more children, but fewer.
- Address climate issues by incentivizing the reduction of population.
- Ask:  What is needed to sustain a decent civilization of free-thinking, responsible, adult Americans?

The "Liberal" alternatives are easy to baa along with. They require no individual competence at all.  The easiest and therefore most brainless thing of all is to go along with the herd and baa, "I'm a Liberal."  It's also the quickest path to the sheeple farm -- to be sheared.

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Sperm cells are still sperm cells. Let's ensure all come to fruition. S/
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God grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change;
Courage to change the things I can;
And wisdom to know the difference.
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Neither I nor the USA can salvage every person/nation. Nor are we equipped to say what is best for them. I think representative republicanism is the height of decent civilization. To become free as an adult to express your thoughts, enterprise your interests, and determine your associations is to become an autonomous human being. But that is not the default condition of humankind, nor is it a condition that we can dictate to cultures, traditions, lands, and peoples that are unsuited to it.
No sensible morality can justify requiring a representative republic to import so many people who are unsuited to representative republicanism as to sink the republic for everyone.
I do not despise the infantilized generation. I despise its mindset. Time to put it back in its crib. Lovingly.
Yes, I seeded children. But their unfoldment is a work in progress. For that, I am not done, nor are they, nor is their Reconciler.
Surely you have more than that for sense? Are you a barometer for what passes as education in modern schools? Suggestion: Learn a marketable skill and study philosophy and history on your own. That way, you'll actually learn how to think instead of be programmed for what to regurgitate. IOW, you can become a real human being, instead of a programmed bot.


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I brought it up because I notice a lot of *Gays are still angry.  They got everything everyone thought they wanted, then they want more.  And the more a lot of them seem to want is the destruction of the church, the family, and the USA.  When there's a challenge to Christianity, it's nearly a sure bet it will attract atheistic Gays.  Their crusade seems to be based in anger, not in truth or justice.

So when I see rampant un-reason, it is on my checklist to test how much of it is gay-anger driven.  (As professionally angry victims soon learn, the money in imavictim is nearly unlimited.)  Sounds like I struck a nerve with you?  Like an epiddymis transport for dessert or pleasure?  Are you some kind of dessert chef?

So now I'm insulting because  I was insulted by your insults?  Oh brother!

Then you try to play the Alinsky Card -- not very well, btw, because Jesus was actually pretty good at calling out Pharisees,  poseurs, and phonies.

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*Sort of like how Blacks practiced in playing imavictim are still angry.  And will continue to be angry --- as long as it pays.  Many Practicing Perpetual Victims have utterly destroyed their own families and are now bent to turn the USA into a Venezuelan Paradise. 

IAE, it's not my purpose to insult perpetual frauds.  It's to help them find the way back to their cribs.

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Some denominations hold certain commands to be eternal, some don't.  If you don't believe in the denominations that hold specific commands to be eternal, then find one that doesn't.  Or else study the Master and work to reconcile yourself. 
Personally, I don't believe Jesus cared that much what two adults do in bed.  So long as it does not needlessly undermine broader society. 
I think traditional families offer protection against the temptation offered by souldead oligarchs to marry their governance.  I think traditional families are essential for representative republics.  So I don't think the republic ought to be funding, extolling, or forcing the celebration of gay get-togethers, as if they were the kind of traditional families upon which the republic depends. 
I think Gays who feel otherwise would do better by decamping to the socialistic paradise of their dreams.  Toleration ought not mean Mind Forced Acceptance.  Mind Forced Acceptance is too Old Testament (not to mention Islamic).  When you try to "justify" Mind Forced Acceptance, you are eventually going to get a fight.  And you will not like the results.

I don't think it's confusion about the substance.  You can debate substance all day, and it will sail unnoticed.  What is going on is that some people, some of whom happen to be Gays or Blacks or Whatever, have some deep seated issues that they are unable to address, so they displace, act out, and lash out.  They learn of easy rewards for playing imavictim.  They set traps and snares, then wait to ambush.  They set rules (like no name-calling), which they do not enforce amongst themselves.  Then they occupy their general angst by baiting passers by, until they can get a response so they can let loose their snare.  They're hollow souled Gamers. 

I will leave you to think about that, if you are so inclined.  I am not interested in responding to a horde of hollow souled gamers.  What I will say is that appeasement will never work with such people.  They say they ONLY want equality and fairness.  But when you look at the applications, and their never-ending demands, you soon realize that they are only extending invitations to a Big Con.