Friday, October 30, 2015

It's Time

People tend more easily to believe what they think will advance their financial interests. Dinos find it easy to believe Republicans represent rich people who should be made to share more wealth. So Dinos tend to believe anything bad that is said about Republicans.

Establishment Rinos want to farm the masses. They have found an easy way to herd the masses by crossing over to offer "free stuff." This gets their shills elected, which allows them to sell out the country.

So Dinos and Rinos are both motivated to use media, which is beholden only to them, to sell the line that rich people (not the billionaires, but the successful small business owners) are bad people. Being establishment Rinos, the Bushes were trained not too much to protest the disinforming of the masses.

Our institutions (media, academia, churches) have been coopted to disinform the people so they can be farmed like cattle. Both parties have been taken over by an establishment that is bent to that purpose. There seems to be hardly any institution of much significance that tries to inform the people, so they can behave as responsible voters within a representative republic. This makes the masses fodder for elitist rule. Indeed, this is how and why elitists rationalize and justify that they should rule.

It's hard work (Is that racist?) to be responsible to become competent to look out for oneself. It's mentally easier to trust elitists who promise to help your comfort and security, even as they sell you out. It's easier to go along with establishment-owned Dems when they call small business owners and ordinary producing Americans racists and the gamut of other names. It's discouraging to be among the few honest voices that try to rouse the masses to reality.

What can help? Reality can eventually intrude. Rationales can be communicated for reforming and preserving decent churches, that can uphold the values that are essential to a republic, instead of selling out to establishment corruption. Science can reasonably be put in its proper place. Faith can be kept, so that miracles, as they occur, can be recognized and accepted. People of good faith and good will can find one another via the Internet and lead boycotts where appropriate and effective. The word can go out that the elitist establishment is corrupt to the bone. As Trump says, it is morally STUPID. Borders can be enforced. People of good faith can fight back and stop accepting the name-calling and intimidation that are sponsored by the corrupt establishment.

People must dare to speak truth. Evil must be named before it can be effectively confronted. Otherwise, the evil will brand the good. The first thing the establishment (George Will and Charles Krauthammer) did when Americans found a champion was to try to brand him as "coarse and vulgar."

As things come to a head, Americans will have to confront the self-indulgent thugs that establishment elitists continue to recruit to rush our borders, intimidate our voters, corrupt our polls, hobble our speech, call us names, maleducate our youth, corrupt our churches, destroy our economy, and (try to) take our guns. If we can prevail, the exercise will help us reinvigorate our republican muscles and restore the truth. It's Time to Get Tough and A Time for Truth.

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People consume less on credit once they can no longer get credit. But people are ingenious about finding ways to get credit.

As by pawn shops, payday loans, stealing, pushing dope, selling labor on the black market, lying to get disability and welfare, taking on foster kids for gov assistance, "liberating" property during mass lootings, lifting from the collection plate, rallying for gov handouts from fiat made money, "earning" fiat money by sheltering gov sponsored immigrants, making deals to marry foreigners in order to sponsor immigration status, setting up auto whiplash lawsuits, seeking refuge in prison on the taxpayer's money, running guns, lifting credit card info, gang shoplifting. When all else fails, the gov will guarantee increases in mimimum "tax refunds."

To improve quality of life by freeing more people from debt slavery, we need somehow to get off the pyramid devices that are used for expanding the economy and find ways to live with a diminished and stable population. To move to a more balanced population that is not based on serf labor, we need tax schemes that encourage otherwise serfs to save more without reducing their disposable income or standard of living. This necessitates ways for reinvesting some of the crony wealth, as via a progressive tax on yearly personal consumption.

Thursday, October 29, 2015

Selfishness and Altruism

SHORT VERSION -- I wonder:  Even when one is selfish, one cares.  What does one care about?  I think one cares about one's body, but also about the contextual field that supports one's body.  That would encompass family, friends, neighbors, fellows, as well as their states of mind.  I don't see how one can be selfish without caring about others.  And if one cares about others, then one is, in that way, both selfish and altruistic.  I don't think pure selfishness can be separated from some aspect of altruism.  Space and time have separate meanings, even though they are intertwined.  Likewise with selfishness and altruism, or particle and field.  I think altruism is a word that means more than a noise.

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LONG VERSION:  When one is "selfish," what is the self to which the "ish" is directed?  Is consciousness necessary for the expression of sellfishness?  Are genes selfish, therefore conscious?  What causes the way the separate selfishness of a gene would be expressed, before or in the absence of its conscious determination?  Is a person selfish to the preservation of his/her stomach or to his body?  Selfish to preservation of his legacy?  Selfish to self programming?  Selfish to the accumulated attachments and field of significance that programs or guides him/her?  How extensive is that field? 

How do you know (or why should you think) that what you take to have caused the expression of your "selfish" choice has not simultaneously reconciled with the choices and apprehensions of others who are within your range of mutual regard and influence?

If "you"  -- what you take at any range or locus to constitute your identity -- is artifactual of the expression of a more encompassing field, and that field sets the determinants for your "choices," which your brain only rationalizes, then how do you know that field is letting you be selfish only to your own body or associated and accumulated identity?  How do you know that field is not being selfish to a wider, connected group?

It is said that each action, thought, decision is made at a subconscious level before the conscious brain even is aware.  Is this merely pursuant to predetermined unfolding?  If so, on that level, there is not even selfishness as the "cause."  Rather, even apparent selfishness would be mere epiphenomena, skimming along the "real" causes. 

So, what are the "real" causes?  Are they the attractions and repulsions of force-carrying particles, as expressed by force fields?  What then is the "real" underlying or connected nature or character of those force carriers and fields?  What is the unifying, reconciling force that expresses and uses the math field that binds them, and that causes their patterns of unfoldment? 

What connects and "maths" the math?  Whatever IT is that expresses you, I think IT is inherently, innately, necessarily -- empathetic.  Otherwise, I don't think the math could math.  There would be no spin to spin. 

If connective conscious empathy were not at some level innate, I cannot imagine how a measurable cosmos could abide.  I think existentiality requires a trinity:  immeasurably connecting Consciousness, relationally measurable Substance, and potently cumulative  Information.  Something of that trinity is spiritually, empathetically, caring and meta (at least, to my belief). 

I do not think it unreasonable so to believe.  Nor unreasonable under that attraction or banner to come and reason together --- in pursuit of assimilating mores, more in good Faith than in force of Legalism.  I think moral assimilation tends to be aided under an umbrella of shared belief in a caring, meta-Reconciler.  Without the Christian umbrella, I suspect we would still be living under a fascist, legalistically-burdensome society.  The more the Christian faith is undermined, the faster I expect we will fall under the complete despotism of elite, legalistic rulers.

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FWIW, I don't much trouble myself with trying to measure out heaven. Rather, my main concern for the necessity of a general respect for religious sensibilities has to do with the necessity of respecting the dignity of other people. You share that concern, and so it guides your ideas about morality.
But I rationalize further, to consider that concern to be innate. It can be variously nurtured, but I think it is as innate, connected, and reconciling as one spin attracting or repulsing another spin that is within its field of influence. It is the connectedness of such innate concerns that leads me to rationalize a metaphysical aspect. I say metaphysical, because I think there is no physical component to the ultimate layer of "spin." I don't think there is an ultimate, physical, building block that is spinning, apart from spin itself. I think the ultimate layer is more intuitive, empathetic, and innate than physically demonstrable or measurable.

The reason I think spiritual rationalization to be important is because it can be (even though it often is not) helpful for facilitating decently civilizing assimilations. Spiritual rationalization is a bit like government, in that it can facilitate human decency -- even though it often does the opposite. (To my taste, churches, in recent years, seem to be doing more harm than good.)
Few among us think it reasonable to espouse a complete rejection of government. Rather, the concern is to try to facilitate decent government that protects human freedom and dignity. Ways often thought meet for that purpose include: small central government of limited and constitutionally enumerated powers; delegation of most other legal powers to lower levels of states, counties, and cities; division of powers and functions among checked and balanced branches of government; an armed citizenry that is trained in its rights.

Even so, there is overlap between layers and levels of government, and we don't try to establish hard concrete "walls" of separation between their functions. Too often, in trying to wall religion away from the public square, we establish religious-like authority in minorities among radical secularists to capture the government and impose outrageous affronts on the evolving values of the people at large. As if elitists should be trusted to know and do best, to replace charity with tax redistributions, and to impose elitist moral indoctrination over religious moral indoctrination.

My problem with radical elitists is that so many seem to think they have air-tight, best solutions for regulating every function. As if the ACLU should eventually nail down enough precedents to ensure complete, encompassing, and detailed "fairness" and "tolerance." As if this elitist rule would constitute some kind of "altruism by government."

Some, for example, think air-tight distinctions can be made between what is selfish versus what is altruistic. Or that altruism (spiritual connectedness?) does not even really exist. To me, this is like thinking that space and time are mutually exclusive existents. They are not.

It ought not be said that altruism does not exist, nor that it is not innate. A mother who knows she will be ripped apart and killed will often, all the same, sometimes instinctively, sometimes deliberately, put herself between her children and a grizzly. She is empathetically identifying herself with something larger: the perpetuation of her progeny and her values. And she has those values because she thinks they are more important than her body.

I may not have a rigorous definition by which to separate selfishness from altruism. But, if I can trust myself to know that another person is more than a bot, I believe I can trust myself to know when they are being, at least in partial aspect, altruistic.

I do not believe it is "altruistic" for an elitist to train people under his or her charge to become so dependent as to lose their individual competence and dignity. Nor to believe that they should be entitled, merely by ganging up to raid the controls of government, to assume a complete right to take and regulate the affairs and properties of others. Even a mama bear, in instinctive altrusim, will begin to cuff cubs when it comes time for them to make their own way. There is little that is altruistic about raising a generation and teaching it to be whiny, entitlement-minded, prone to holler "white privilege," incompetent, defenseless and unsuspecting in the face of gathering forces that truly are intolerant.

Friday, October 16, 2015

Natural Born Citizens and Anchor Babies



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Nothing in any Amendment specifically says, in the words of "natural born citizen," that women, blacks, or indians qualify. So, how do you square that circle? Do you mean to tell them they are citizens of their respective states who have the right to vote but not the right to become President, if the electorate were to vote for them?

In general terms, the very process of being born entails a process of naturalization, in that a fetus does not become a citizen until being born. But place of birth, in itself, does not determine citizenship.

Among the enumerated powers of Congress is the power to provide for a uniform system of naturalization. Power to determine citizenship is an attribute of sovereignty. One cannot very well claim to be a natural born citizen unless one can claim to be a citizen. Yet, the Constitution leaves the determination of who shall be a citizen, whether at birth or upon application, to Congress.

Before the 14th Amendment, Congress, by legislation, could, if it were so inclined, provide that not even a child born in the U.S. of parents who were both citizens would be a citizen of right at birth. But for the 14th Amendment, Congress could provide that birthright citizenship should be limited to children born of parents who themselves had citizenship as a matter of birthright. But for the 14th Amendment, Congress, if it so desired, could provide that a child may not apply for citizenship if born of parents who were not citizens at birth, until such child had resided within the U.S. some determinate period of time before making application.

Restricting consideration to the original Constitution, Congress' power to provide for citizenship (apart from grandfather provisions), under its enumerated power to provide for naturalization, would necessarily encompass power to determine who should be considered a natural born citizen (i.e., a citizen of right at birth).
Given how precedents and facts have unfolded, I don't see another way to square the circle or to make consistent sense of the various provisions regarding citizenship. Given how precedents and facts have unfolded, it makes sense to suppose the vision of the Founders was to entrust to Congress the power to make law for determining citizenship of right at birth versus citizenship upon application. That makes more sense than to suppose the Founders intended instead to rely on ambiguous and specious reasoning by politically compromised advocates.

After all, if the Founders had wanted to say that the President must be a person who was born in the U.S. and whose parents were at the time both citizens, then the Founders had only to say so. But they did not. If they had some special shorthand meaning in mind for the term "natural born citizen" by which they meant to accomplish the same thing, then they had a duty to convey that understanding to the Ratifiers. Yet, nothing shows that the actual Ratifiers clearly understood any such shorthand meaning.

Given how precedents and facts have unfolded, the implication is that the Founders thought it better to leave the matter to Congress, subsumed under its power to provide for naturalization. After all, at the beginning of the republic, every citizen had to be naturalized anew. That is, no one could have been a citizen of the new republic until after, or concurrent with, the establishment of the republic. Nowadays, we think of "naturalization" as usually pertaining to citizenship being granted to a foreigner. But, at the beginning, everyone who was not grandfathered was a foreigner -- until the republic was established. To become citizens, all persons not otherwise grandfathered in the new republic had to be "nation-alized" as such by Congress in the exercise of its enumerated power to provide for naturalization.

Contrarians who would disqualify the relatively long line of preceding office holders and candidates, or who would disqualify women, blacks, and indians, make themselves look ludicrous.

One could not very well claim to be a natural born citizen unless one were first and foremost a citizen at birth. However, the Constituton does not establish who shall be a citizen at birth. To define that, it commissions Congress. In that respect, the Constitution necessarily confers power in Congress to expand or reduce the set of who shall be a natural born citizen.

When Congress acts, reference is made to superior provisions in the Constitution and most recent Amendments. Reference is made to statutes, insofar as they are not in violation of the Constitution, as Amended. Insofar as gaps that may not be answered in the Constitution, Amendments, or statutes, the Constitution adopts the method of the *Common Law. The common law is precedential, but it is more practical than hidebound. In common law, precedents change as justices and times change.

*See the Seventh Amendment and see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_United_States#Constitutionality: "[I]t is universally accepted that the Founding Fathers of the United States, by vesting "judicial power" into the Supreme Court and the inferior federal courts in Article Three of the United States Constitution, thereby vested in them the implied judicial power of common law courts to formulate persuasive precedent; this power was widely accepted, understood, and recognized by the Founding Fathers at the time the Constitution was ratified. Several legal scholars have argued that the federal judicial power to decide "cases or controversies" necessarily includes the power to decide the precedential effect of those cases and controversies."

For the strength of a Scotus precedent, much depends on whether Scotus is only interpreting a Congressional statute, or whether Scotus is interpreting a constitutional limit on a statued. When Scotus is only interpreting a Congressional statute, Congress can re-enact, to make its intentions clear, without needing a Constitutional Amendment.

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It makes no good sense to argue about whether a dog is a domesticated canine or a domesticated canine is a dog. That kind of quibble makes no pertinent sense. Cruz is constitutionally eligible.

The Constitution makes NBC's eligible. It necessarily gives authority to Congress to define who is a citizen (including a citizen at birth), because it, in itself, does not define a citizen, except for "grandfather" purposes. Nor did it incorporate Vattel to define citizen. Nor did it deny to Congress the authority to define citizen.

For those reasons, "in the beginning," the authority in Congress to provide for matters of naturalization necessarily encompassed defining both citizens at birth (NBC's) and citizens upon application and oath (thereafter, naturalized citizens). The power to define NBC's (citizens at birth) was necessarily made a legislative power.

Moreover, the First Congress recognized such authority when it wrote the first immigration related statute. Moreover, Amendments since then (which certainly are part of the Constitution, btw) also relate.

The upshot is that women, blacks, and indians who are citizens at birth are now eligible to become president. Any argument that they are not would be laughed out of court, and every good woman would throw rocks at men who argued otherwise.

Cruz is a citizen at birth. That is all the NBC provision can reasonably be interpreted to require. Regardless of how anyone may want to play with the words, no Court is going to disqualify Cruz. I suspect the only problem is brain freeze. But, the freeze brains ye shall always have among ye.


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LIST OF OFFICE HOLDERS AND CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT WHO WERE EITHER NOT BORN IN THE U.S. OR WHO HAD AT LEAST ONE PARENT WHO WAS NOT AN AMERICAN CITIZEN AT THE TIME:

(I rather value the opinions of most of the A.T. regulars. However, for the love of Pete, I wish fewer among the valued regulars would please stop being so obtuse about our actual history!)

Not Born in U.S.:

JOHN JAY’s own children were born abroad while he served on diplomatic assignments, and it would be absurd to conclude that Jay proposed to exclude his own children, as foreigners of dubious loyalty, from presidential eligibility."

GEORGE MCCLELLAN, JR., who ran against Lincoln for his second term, was born in Saxony while his parents were on vacation.

GEROGE ROMNEY was a candidate who was born in Mexico City.

BARRY GOLDWATER was born in the Arizona territory, not in the U.S.

LOWELL WEICKER entered the race for the Republican party nomination of 1980, but dropped out before voting in the primaries began; he was also suggested as a possible vice-president candidate in 1976. He was born in Paris, France.

CHARLES CURTIS was Vice President under Hoover. Curtis was born in Kansas when it was a territory. As such, he was not born in the U.S. (Constitutional requisites for qualification to be Vice President are the same as to be President.)

JOHN MCCAIN: Under the reasoning of Persinger v. Iran, John McCain was not born "in the United States" for purposes of the 14th Amendment. If John McCain, per Senate Resolution of 4-30-08, was a natural born citizen, it was NOT because of his place of birth. IOW, per the Senate Resolution, place of birth is NOT determinative of being or not being a natural born citizen. The Senate resolution confirmed that McCain was eligible. In that resolution, the Senate did not state that a person who was otherwise a citizen without needing to be naturalized could become President only if born on a Federal base. Moreover, I suspect McCain was not born on a Federal base, but in an off base hospital.

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At least One of Parents Not An American:


ANDREW JACKSON (Need to research to determine whether either or both of his parents had become naturalized citizens before he was born, and whether he was born aboard ship or in the U.S. Assuming he was born in the U.S., he likely qualified under the grandfather provisions.)

CHESTER A. ARTHUR was born in Vermont to a Vermont-born mother and a father from Ireland, who was not naturalized as a U.S. citizen until 1843, 14 years after Chester was born. While he was born in the U.S., only one of his parents was a citizen at the time.

CHARLES EVANS HUGHES was nominated by the Republican Party to run against Woodrow Wilson in 1916, even though Hughes' father was not an American citizen when he was born.

BARACK OBAMA (His avowed father was not a U.S. citizen. Moreover, there are other concerns that have not been vetted because of the opaqueness of his records.)

BOBBY JINDAL was born in Baton Rouge. His parents immigrated from India. I assume they were legal domiciliaries at the time of his birth. I suspect neither had by then been naturalized. He is born an American citizen, but some would argue he cannot qualify if neither of his parents was a citizen at the time of his birth.

MARCO RUBIO was born in Miami, but his parents were Cubans at the time. If they had been in Miami illegally, Marco would have been an anchor baby.

EDIT:
John Charles Frémont, the first Republican Presidential candidate, was the son of a non-U.S. citizen father.

Hubert Humphrey and Spiro Agnew: It is possible they may have had a non-American parent. Further research is needed.


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I don't think the Constitution by itself makes sense on the issue of "natural born citizen." Moreover, I suspect it could not reasonably have been expected to make sense on that point by itself.

For an analysis I incline in considerable respect not to agree with, that leads me perhaps to share (your) despair of ever finding consistent sense in the Constitution on this subject, see
http://www.constitution.org/abus/pres_elig.htm.

I see so many worms in that analysis, that I can arrive only at this: If Congress is thought not to have been entrusted to clarify the meaning of "natural born citizen," then, since the definition was not provided by the Founders, and since the idea behind the provision is so inherently ambiguous, I see no non-despotic hope for it.

Absent a clarifying Amendment, there simply is not enough information to avail a reasoned interpretation, unless the provision were deemed to implicate an intention in the Founders and Ratifiers to convey authority to Congress to flesh out the definition of natural born citizen.

In that case, the task before us is three fold:
- Support Trump in taking care by his administration to execute the provision consistent with the following: that anchor babies do not become citizens by mere birth; and that persons who are made by statute citizens of right at birth are natural born citizens.
- Pressure Congress to provide consistently therewith (or at least not to provide to the contrary);
- Support a COS to inject clarity to such ends.


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Issues of rights of nationals and citizens of territories, states, and the United States have taken a long and winding trail. A couple of Supreme Court Justices have (playfully?) suggested they may be inclined to find that a Puerto Rican would be eligible to run for President. I traced a history of what some courts have said over the years, and how statutes have changed.

Factors include: Pre 14A versus post 14A; pre Louisiana Purchase and post; evolution of concepts of organized versus unorganized territories and incorporated versus unincorporated territories; histories of American Samoa and the Phillipines; unincorporated area of Panama Canal Zone; unincorporated Kansas versus incorporated Kansas; Gitmo; readjudicated and changed boundaries between the U.S. and Canada and Mexico; shifts in the Rio Grande River; and probably many others.

Suffice to say, being born in a territory, without more information, does not provide enough information to say whether a person would be a national, a citizen, or a natural born citizen.

Different analysts reach differing conclusions about the eligibility (under challenge and if Scotus were to take the case) concerning whether a person born in a territory, such as Puerto Rico, pre-state Hawaii; Phillipines; Samoa; pre-state Kansas; or pre-state Arizona, would be constitutionally eligible to run for the presidency.

I don't think birthplace should be a factor, unless Congress makes it one. (To avoid anchor babies, I prefer that Congress not make it one.) IAE, failing a clarifying Amendment, I think the determination of status of being a national, citizen, or natural born citizen, should be for Congress to determine. Moreover, I don't think any clear or coherent analysis of the Constitution, history, precedents, or statutes can objectively answer the question.

What can be done is to set out the practical history and the effective and legitmate concerns. When one does that, one sees that various persons have been candidates, elected and defeated, for the presidency and vice presidency who were not born within the United States, and who were not born of parents who were both citizens at the time.

The upshot of this is as I said to Butch ("Pedro Zappa"):

I don't think the Constitution by itself makes sense on the issue of "natural born citizen." Moreover, I suspect it could not reasonably have been expected to make sense on that point by itself.

If Congress were thought not to have been entrusted to clarify the meaning of "natural born citizen," then, since no clear definition was provided by the Founders, and since the idea behind the provision is so inherently ambiguous, I see no non-despotic hope for it.

Absent a clarifying Amendment, there simply is not enough information to avail a reasoned interpretation, unless the provision were deemed to implicate an intention in the Founders and Ratifiers to convey authority to Congress to flesh out the definition of natural born citizen.

In that case, the task before us is three fold:
1)- Support Trump in taking care by his administration to execute the provision consistent with the following: that anchor babies do not become citizens by mere birth; and that persons who are made by statute citizens of right at birth are natural born citizens.
2)- Pressure Congress to provide consistently therewith (or at least not to provide to the contrary);
3)- Support a COS to inject clarity to such ends.So far, I see nothing in law or history that disqualifies Cruz merely because he was not born in the U.S. or had a father who was not a citizen at the time. Charles Curtis (Vice President, with same prerequisites as President) was not born in the U.S. Chester Arthur and Barack Obama had a parent who was not a citizen. And that pattern has been oft repeated among main contending candidates. The chance that Scotus would delve into this political thicket to unseat an elected person who was a citizen of right at birth is, I believe, precisely zero.

From http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/:

"The Naturalization Act of 17908. Ch. 3, 1 Stat. 103 (repealed 1795). provided that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States . . . .”9. Id. at 104 (emphasis omitted). The actions and understandings of the First Congress are particularly persuasive because so many of the Framers of the Constitution were also members of the First Congress. That is particularly true in this instance, as eight of the eleven members of the committee that proposed the natural born eligibility requirement to the Convention served in the First Congress and none objected to a definition of “natural born Citizen” that included persons born abroad to citizen parents.

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John Jay’s own children were born abroad while he served on diplomatic assignments, and it would be absurd to conclude that Jay proposed to exclude his own children, as foreigners of dubious loyalty, from presidential eligibility."


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CITIZENSHIP:  There is no complete and unified field theory or standard model of citizens, cultures, and nations.  There are angry and fluxing zoos of sub-zoos, particulars of sub-particulars, and contending agencies of sub-agencies.  In earlier times, issues about citizenship may have been less frequent or contentious because people who were not citizens were not attracted to come and live among foreigners, especially where there were no significant attractants, like public welfare.
When we became a republic instead of a number of colonies of a monarchy, the idea of citizenship as opposed to subjectship became more important. But to what do we now look to confirm, on challenge, whether a person is a citizen? I would say the factors may include long residence, evidence of unquestioned allegiance, and perhaps military service. If we don't recognize such as grounds for citizenship, then we are in danger of becoming a nation of stateless children and refugees, leading to a permanent and inferior class of helots, with a legal right to be here, but no right to representation or to vote as citizens. This would plant seeds of a kind that the Civil War should caution us against.


NATURAL BORN CITIZEN:  The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen.   Various opinions have been offered regarding its meaning.  Many believe the term encompasses people born "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, often including those who are born in the United States or born abroad to U.S. citizen parents.  Some suggest the precise meaning of the natural-born-citizen clause in the Constitution may never be decided by courts, because presidential eligibility is a non-justiciable political question that can be decided only by Congress.

Some argue that a property of natural birthright citizenship makes such citizenship such that not even Congress can take it away, based on political reevaluations after the fact.  Fine.  That need not mean that Congress lacks power to define how citizenship (natural or naturalized) is to be obtained for children born thereafter.  To say that Congress cannot change law to forfeit certain status or rights, ex post facto, after the fact of their having become vested is not to say that Congress cannot change the rules for how such status or rights are to become vested in the future.  Constitutionally, Congress cannot criminalize acts that were legal when committed.  So, Congress may not, based on facts that were sufficient at the time conferred, deprive a status of citizenship so as to transform a legal citizen into an illegal alien after the fact.

Some of the Founders recognized a concern, which they recommended for consideration, wherewith they gave to Congress power to determine who else would be a citizen at brith, who would need to be naturalized, and how.  Congress did so consider.  However, never did the Founders or Congress say that any particular version of Vattel must be adopted at any time, much less for all time.  Never has anyone said that a person a citizen at birth could never be eligible to be President unless both his parents had been citizens at birth.  Never has Congress said that the President must be born in America of parents who were both natural citizens.  To qualify a person to become President, no provision clearly provides that there is some constitutional distinction between a citizen whose allegiance is to the U.S., who was born of an American parent, versus a citizen who was born in the U.S. of two parents who were both then and there American citizens.


See http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/may/12/born-usa/


VATTEL:  Vattel discovered that different nations had different precedents, traditions, understandings, or provisions on the subject of citizenship, with variations of jus soli and jus sanguinis. See http://www.migrationpolicy.org... "These outlines of jus soli and jus sanguinis citizenship policies are, as noted, ideal types. In fact, most countries, while generally emphasizing one or the other, have increasingly blurred the distinction between the two by including elements of both in their broader procedures." (Who has a right of citizenship without having to earn it, and who must, by naturalization, earn it?)


14th AMENDMENT (1868):  It appears the drafters intended a meaning for "subject to the jurisdiction" that was different from "under the jurisdiction" or "within the jurisdiction." But a one-world Scotus may hardly notice.

14th Amendment, Section 1. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."


How clear is the line between citizens who are "subject to the jurisdiction" versus residents who are only "under" or "within" the jurisdiction?  To whom does the Constitution and 14th Amendment imply should have trump power to draw that line -- Scotus or Congress?  To the extent the 14th Amendment does not specify clear distinctions between "subject to the jurisdiction" versus "under" or "within" the jurisdiction, it, by itself, does not clearly confirm who is rightfully a citizen at birth.  If neither the Constitution nor the 14th Amendment clearly specifies who is a citizen, then what treaty, statute, or lawful regulation does so specify?  How do we define who is a citizen?  What authority does Congress have, to legislate guidance?

BIRTHRIGHT:  By statutes and interpretations, being born in the U.S. has in certain circumstances been made ground for presuming citizenship.  However, apart from poorly reasoned opinions, I know of no present statute that makes such birth, in itself, automatic ground for confirming citizenship.

EVIDENCING CITIZENSHIP:  Resort must be found, to separate out who is a citizen, because otherwise we lack a clear way to determine among many of our migrant and other residents which are "citizens" or entitled to the rights of citizens.

IRCA:  The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) does not appear to define citizenship.  Rather, it provides ways to claim AMNESTY.  Amnesty for 3 million illegal immigrants, in return for increased border security and penalties for companies "knowingly" hiring illegal immigrants. Aside from creating the H-2A visa for seasonal employment, Reagan's IRCA was supposed to solve most of the problem of massive illegal immigration.  However, the Act increased problems.

The Act did did not resolve what to do with children born in America of parents who are here legally only because they have been amnestified. Should amnestified parents be deemed to be here "subject to the jurisdiction," or are they only here "under the jurisdiction?" Should their children born here be considered "subject to the jurisdiction" as birthright citizens, or are they themselves only amnestified under the jurisdiction," like their parents? Who has power to say, and until they say, who has binding power to rule in individual hearings, contests, cases, and appeals, and based on what guidance? (Note:  The bureaucratic practice among immigration agencies is to recognize citizenship in most persons born in the U.S.  Current law prevents anyone under age 21 from petitioning for their non-citizen parent to be lawfully admitted into the United States for permanent residence. However, parents of citizen children who have been in the country for ten years or more can also apply for relief from deportation.  The burden of hearings and appeals renders much enforcement unlikely.)

The promises under the IRCA have been rendered laughable.  The government has made no serious effort to control our borders. Employers continue knowingly to hire illegal immigrants without any real fear of punishment. This has increased the Underground Economy, so that minorities can afford to not act white, to go polar bear hunting, and to attack police. They are content with their economic and political situation. They like the psych reward of feeling tattooed and superior on the cheap and the down low.  So the producing class works and pays taxes for the privilege of being parasited, hated, and accused of being mean and privileged.

CONSTITUTIONAL CITIZENSHIP -- GRANDFATHER PROVISION:  It would have been impossible for a person who became a citizen contemporaneous with the U.S. having become a nation to have been born in the U.S., because the U.S. would not have existed at the time of their birth.  Their U.S. citizenship would have occurred simultaneous with the birth of the nation of which they became citizens.  It would be nonsensical to require persons who were citizens at the creation to have previously been born in the creation.  Thus, such persons were grandfathered, so that they need not have been born in the U.S. to have acquired citizenship.

What, then, did Americans need, contemporaneous with the creation of their nation, to be citizens and to be qualified to run for President?  Well, it appears they had to be white.  And they had in some capacity to be in the foreign, military, or domestic service or residence of the U.S.  White people known in their communities to have been loyal and responsible residents, workers, and taxpayers, not solely allegiant to another nation, would likely have been recognized in some respect as regular or registered citizens.  Such people, provided they were 35 years of age and 14 years a resident within the organized colony and later confederacy that became the U.S., would have equal right with white citizens born in the U.S. and similarly situated to run for President.  Provided they were citizens of right or at birth, they would have, if 35 years of age and 14 years a resident, been qualified to run for President.  (The times were racist.  How much non-white blood would have disqualified them from running and from being citizens?  Upon challenge, would they have to prove their whiteness to be eligible?)

STATUTORY CITIZENSHIP BY WAY OF BIRTHRIGHT:  The United States Naturalization Law of 1790 provided the first rules for granting national citizenship. It provided that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." It has been superceded at various times, in 1795, 1798, 1902, 1870, 1924, 1940, and 1952.  It limited naturalization to immigrants who were free white persons of good character. It excluded American Indians, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks, and Asians. It provided for citizenship for children of U.S. citizens born abroad, but specified that the right of citizenship did "not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States". It specified that such children "shall be considered as natural born citizens" — the only U.S. statute ever to use the term "natural born citizen."

It is not reasonable to suppose that Congress, by later replacing the statute of 1790, in which it had partially defined the term "natural born citizen," with subsequent statutes that deployed the concept without using the exact same language, thereby revoked the understanding as expressed in the first definition in favor of reverting to some supposed definition under Vattel.  Neither the Founders nor Congress ever clearly or affirmatively said they intended either to adopt or to revoke any version of Vattel.  Even though Congress did not again use the term "natural born citizen," it did establish measures for claiming citizenship of right based on family and birth.  Under power necessarily delegated to Congress, Congress in effect determined that a person, born of an American parent, who would under its statutes be a citizen of right at birth, without having to be naturalized, would qualify as a natural born citizen.


STATUTORY  RIGHT TO APPLY FOR NATURALIZATION:  Article I of the Constitution gives Congress power to establish (enact) a "uniform rule of naturalization."  Moreover, insofar as "natural born citizen" was not well defined, Congress must be inferred to have a right, prospectively, to determine the qualificatons for such a classification.  The distasteful alternative would be to argue that the Founders and Ratifiers intended some then and there version of Vattel to be the law of the land.  This begs questions:  Which version, which interpretors of it, to what extent, and how frozen?  Should the ratifiers be supposed to have written a blank check to future interpretors of Vattel to apply the entire treatise to all issues of citizenship?  What other nation had, or would, so blindly and so permanently, entrust such fundamental concerns?

CHILDREN OF UNKNOWN PARENTAGE:  We do have a Statute of 2011, at 8 U.S.C. § 1401, under which Congress undertook, among other things, to statutorily define a citizen at birth to include a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States. That statute confers a kind of "deferred birthright citizenship."

What is needed is a way to clarify that this statute does not by itself confer full birthright citizenship. This needs to be done in a way that does not purport to toss abandoned children out of the country without fairly attending to them. That can be done readily enough, given Executive guidance and a central registrar.

Notice that the statute talks about a child of "unknown parentage." A fair implication is that Congress recognized that to establish parentage by non-Americans may be an alternative ground for denying citizenship, notwithstanding place of birth.  Respect is needed for two concerns: Care for children, and care for not incenting anchor babies.


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TED CRUZ: Ted Cruz is a citizen, jus sanguinis, because his mother was a citizen. He is a natural born citizen, because he was born a citizen-of-right, without having to earn status of citizenship by naturalization. Nothing in the Constitution says that a person who is born a citizen, who does not have to undergo naturalization to become a citizen, is not a "natural born citizen." Professor Chin, former Solicitor General Paul Clement, former Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal, and Professor Peter Spiro of Temple University Law School believe Cruz meets the constitutional requirements to be eligible for the presidency. Per briefing by Theodore B. Olson and Laurence H. Tribe, Obama was eligible even though one of his parents was not a U.S. citizen and would have been eligible even if he had been born while Hawaii was a territory and before it became a State.

"NBC people," to determine who is a "natural born citizen," often think they have some simple test that is "clearly" set forth in the Constitution. ( Even though, to state their test, they presume to refer to a version of Vattel that was not published until after the Constitution was ratified.)

John Jay recommended, in a letter to Washington, a need to help guard against intrigue by foreign princes to become head of state in America. In Jay's letter, the only word underlined was "born." The word "natural" was not underlined. The Jay letter did not refer to Vattel.

In 1904, Frederick van Dyne (1861–1915), the Assistant Solicitor of the US Department of State (1900–1907) (and subsequently a diplomat), published a textbook, Citizenship of the United States, in which he said: "There is no uniform rule of international law covering the subject of citizenship. Every nation determines for itself who shall, and who shall not, be its citizens ...."

In 2012 WL 1205117, a pro se plaintiff challenged Obama's presence on the presidential ballot, based on his own interpretation that "natural born citizen" required the president "to have been born on United States soil and have two United States born parents." To this, the Court responded, " Article II, section 1, clause 5 does not state this. No legal authority has ever stated that the Natural Born Citizen clause means what plaintiff Strunk claims it says. .... Moreover, President Obama is the sixth U.S. President to have had one or both of his parents not born on U.S. soil." [listing Andrew Jackson, James Buchanan, Chester A. Arthur, Woodrow Wilson, and Herbert Hoover].

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HISTORY OF CANDIDATES, PRESIDENTS, AND VICE PRESIDENTS WHO WERE NOT BORN IN THE U.S. OR WHOSE PARENTS WERE NOT BOTH CITIZENS:

GEORGE WASHINGTON: Washington’s father died a British Subject before the American Revolution. If parental citizenship matters, then George Washington was not a natural born citizen. Absent a grandfather proviso, he would have been excluded from the office of Commander in Chief of the United States.

ANDREW JACKSON was born in 1767 in Waxhaws, Colony of North Carolina. His parents were not born on U.S. soil, being from Ireland, but they presumably became legal domicillaries when they arrived by ship shortly before Andrew was born. Presumably, Andrew would thus be a legal domicilliary of the Colony of North Carolina at the very time he was born. Was there law or precedent then to make him a citizen? Did he at any time before or after renounce his Irish citizenship or allegiance and become a citizen of the United States -- either under the Articles of Confederation (1781) or the Constitution (1789)? He served informally, while a teenager, during the Revolutionary War. That would not seem to renounce Irish citizenship, since Ireland did not become a legislative part of Great Britain until 1800. So, before the ratification of the Constitution in 1789, had Jackson become an allegiant citizen of the United States under the Articles of Confederation? Nothing evidences that he renounced citizenship in Ireland. If he had Irish citizenship, he would under the circumstances have needed to be naturalized to become a U.S. citizen. If he were naturalized after ratification of the Constitution, he could not have been eligible. So, was he naturalized before 1789, to claim benefit of the grandfather proviso for citizenship? What was the law and procedure for naturalization under the Articles of Confederation? Was Jackson the first dual-citizenship President, when he commenced office in 1829?

CHESTER A. ARTHUR was born in Vermont to a Vermont-born mother and a father from Ireland, who was not naturalized as a U.S. citizen until 1843, 14 years after Chester was born. While he was born in the U.S., only one of his parents was a citizen at the time.

GEORGE MCCLELLAN, JR., who ran against Lincoln for his second term, was born in Saxony while his parents were on vacation.

CHARLES EVANS HUGHES was nominated by the Republican Party to run against Woodrow Wilson in 1916, even though Hughes' father was not an American citizen when he was born.

BARRY GOLDWATER was born in the Arizona territory, not in the U.S.

LOWELL WEICKER entered the race for the Republican party nomination of 1980, but dropped out before voting in the primaries began; he was also suggested as a possible vice-president candidate in 1976. He was born in Paris, France.

BOBBY JINDAL was born in Baton Rouge. His parents immigrated from India. I assume they were legal domiciliaries at the time of his birth. I suspect neither had by then been naturalized. He is born an American citizen, but some would argue he cannot qualify if neither of his parents was a citizen at the time of his birth.

MARCO RUBIO was born in Miami, but his parents were Cubans at the time. If they had been in Miami illegally, Marco would have been an anchor baby.

CHARLES CURTIS was Vice President under Hoover. Curtis was born in Kansas when it was a territory. As such, he was not born in the U.S. Pehaps the most important function for a Vice President is to be ready to assume the presidency in event of the death or incapacity of the President. Yet, there does not appear to have been significant debate that Curtis would have been disqualified for not having been a "natural born citizen."

(According to Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244, 266 -267 (1901), the net effect of incorporation is that the territory becomes an integral part of the geographical boundaries of the United States and

cannot, from then on, be separated. Indeed, the whole body of the U.S. Constitution is extended to the inhabitants of that territory, except for those provisions that relate to its federal character. Prior to January 13, 1941, there was no statutory definition of “the United States” for citizenship purposes. The phrase “in the United States” as used in Section 1993 of the Revised Statues of 1878 clearly includes states that have been admitted to the Union. (See 7 FAM 1119 b.))

JOHN MCCAIN: Under the reasoning of Persinger v. Iran, John McCain was not born "in the United States" for purposes of the 14th Amendment. If John McCain, per Senate Resolution of 4-30-08, was a natural born citizen, it was NOT because of his place of birth. IOW, per the Senate Resolution, place of birth is NOT determinative of being or not being a natural born citizen.  The Senate resolution confirmed that McCain was eligible.  In that resolution, the Senate did not state that a person who was otherwise a citizen without needing to be naturalized could become President only if born on a Federal base.   Moreover, I suspect McCain was not born on a Federal base, but in an off base hospital.

See the Foreign Affairs Manual (FAM):

Birth on U.S. Military Base Outside of the United States or Birth on U.S. Embassy or Consulate Premises Abroad:
(1) Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic or consular facilities abroad are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not born in the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.

The FAM then references Persinger v. Iran, 729 F.2d 835 (D.C. Cir. 1984). In Persinger, Justice Bork said: A principle revoking sovereign immunity on our embassy grounds abroad would also, presumably, have the same effect as to our military and naval bases around the world, since the United States exercises jurisdiction in such locations. The possibilities are almost endless for tort suits in this country against foreign governments for acts or omissions all over the world. We are persuaded that Congress intended nothing of the sort. Embassies may be, as appellants argue, unique in their inviolability but that does not distinguish them from military facilities, libraries, AID missions, and the like with respect ofthe criteria of the statute. If the controlling question were only whether the United States had some jurisdiction, all premises controlled by this country anywhere in the world would fit the statutory definition of the "United States." Fidelity to the statutory language would prevent us from picking and choosing among premises subject to some extent of congressional control.

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THE ANCHOR BABY PRACTICE THAT HAS BEEN FED BY CRONY ESTABLISHMENTARIANS SHOWS WHY A CONVENTION OF STATES IS VITAL:

The opinion in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) dealt with the citizenship of a child born of legally resident parents. No sensible interpretation of it would support finding that an anchor baby born of illegal invaders would be a citizen.


WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE:  A better interpretation of existing law would be that a child born of illegal invaders (an anchor baby) is not a citizen.  Whoever is elected President should see to it that the guidance in the Foreign Affairs Manual is changed in that respect.

Contemporaneously, the law regarding citizenship needs to be clarified.  If Scotus proves balky, the Constitution should be amended, to convey to Congress complete authority by legislation to determine, going forward, who is a citizen and who is eligible to become President.


The standing situation is intolerable, because it promotes uncertainty.  It also promotes disrespect for the law and for office holders, whose offices depend on appointments from potential presidents, whose own offices are of dubious legality.  Our situaton is a republic being built up, on sand. Our situation is also intolerable because it promotes confusion about the citizenship of persons born in America of illegal invaders, visitors, temporary workers, long term visa workers, and legal
We desperately need a competent President, a loyal Congress, an adult Scotus, an awakened electorate, and a Convention of States. Otherwise, our house cannot much longer stand on the sand that is shifting beneath our feet.  The establishment believes that to allow the confusion to continue will put time on its side, in its goal of replacing the republic with one worldism. (See Phillip K. Dick's dystopian novel, Time Out of Joint.)


Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (Supreme Court -- 1982), practically forces states, cities, and school districts to provide paid sanctuaries for illiegal alien children.  Scotus interpreted the phrase in the 14th Amendment, "within its jurisdiction," to confirm that the Amendment's equal protection extends to anyone, citizen or stranger, who is subject to the laws of a State. All Scotus needed to say was that the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies to aliens who, after their illegal entry into this country, are for that purpose physically "within" and under the jurisdiction of a state.  Scotus did NOT say, nor need it have imputed, that children born in the U.S. of alien invaders should be considered as being "subject to the jurisdiction."   At most (although it is quite enough), Scotus decided that alien children who were not born in the U.S. have a right while in America to equal treatment as persons under the 14th Amendment, without needing to make them citizen "subjects."

NOTE:  The opinion of the 4 dissenters, written by Chief Justice Burger, noted that the Equal Protection Clause does not mandate identical treatment of different categories of persons....  The importance of a governmental service does not elevate it to the status of a "fundamental right" for purposes of equal protection analysis.... To the extent this Court raises or lowers the degree of "judicial scrutiny" in equal protection cases according to a transient Court majority's view of the societal importance of the interest affected, we "assum[e] a legislative role, and one for which the Court lacks both authority and competence....  The Federal Government has seen fit to exclude illegal aliens from numerous social welfare programs....  The Constitution does not provide a cure for every social ill, nor does it vest judges with a mandate to try to remedy every social problem.... 
It does not follow... that a state should bear the costs of educating children whose illegal presence in this country results from the default of the political branches of the Federal Government.

One-worlders bent on destroying the republic by providing sanctuaries everywhere will run with Plyler and argue that the words in the 14th Amendment, "subject to the jurisdiction," are surplusage.  That is, they will argue that a person who is born "within" is necessarily "subject" to the jurisdiction, so that his birth within the U.S., in and of itself, makes him a citizen. If presented with this issue, Scotus is likely (and improperly) poised so to confirm.

This is why a Convention of States is vital. Trump needs to inspire major disgust against some of the immigration-related decisions by Scotus. He needs to proceed as much as he can on several fronts. Executive orders. Strong cabinet appointees. Inspire a legislative agenda. Build a wall.  Enforce the border. Inspire support for amendments to strengthen the republic.  Groundwork needs to be laid for how the new President may reasonably correct the problem concerning anchor babies. That problem must be corrected, because otherwise the meaning of citizenship will very soon be swept and eroded out to sea. Second, if we can get a Convention of States, per Mark Levin, we may yet turn back Progressive dystopian one worldism in a lasting way.

Cruz seems to be slightly modifying his understanding of birthright citizenship to come closer to Trump's. IOW, the Negotiator (Trump) was in front of one of the foremost Debater/Scholars (Cruz).

See http://www.cbsnews.com/news/te...

[S]ome constitutional scholars, according to Cruz, say that Congress could simply "pass a law defining what the words in the 14th Amendment 'subject to the jurisdiction' means." But in order to assure the repeal of birthright citizenship, the Texas senator also proposed wholly amending the Constitution, saying "we should change the law."

"My view, there's a good faith argument on both sides," Cruz said. "We should pursue whichever one is effective but as a policy matter, we should change the law."


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GUIDANCE NEEDED UNDER AUTHORITY OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH:

GUIDANCE REGARDING ANCHOR BABIES:  Presumably, the drafters of the 14th Amendment had a purpose when they differentiated language for (citizens and legal subjects) "subject to the jurisdiction" versus (illegal and undocimented persons ) "within the jurisdiction."  Under the 14th Amendment, should an anchor baby who is born "within" the jurisdiction, on that account alone, without necessarily being "subject" to the jurisdiction, be a citizen?  Bureaucratic practice, guidelines, and manuals have tended to the affirmative, even though there is no clear law.


There does not appear to be any Amendment or Statute that confers citizenship based on native birth, absent evidence of legality of domicile.  A competent executive (President) could, via executive order or agency regulation, clarify that native birth does not confer citizenship unless a parent is an American citizen or a sufficiently legal domicilliary. Let him direct Fed Agents to provide for the registrar, status determination, or deportation of everyone under the age of 18 whose citizenship is in doubt because of lack of certificate or proof of long established or legal domicile

Congress has not used its naturalization power to make citizens of children born of undocumented parents. It has used its power to create a presumption that abandoned children found in America were born of an American parent, and that presumption becomes conclusive after a number of years.

Advocates for anchor baby citizen status would claim the 14th Amendment makes all native born persons into automatic citizens. However, the 14th Amendment does not do that. It requires, for native born citizenship status, that the person be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S.

Thus, in theory, no legislation is needed to stop the practice of certifying citizenship based only on birth in the U.S.. All that is needed is a test case to establish a precedent to clarify the existing law: That being native born, without more, does not make one a citizen.


However, this would be unattractive, politically. Our establishment press would make very unpopular any party or person who sought to deport a recently birthed and abandoned baby or a child of long residence in the U.S.

So, the easier political path may be for a popular President to induce Congress to legislate to provide that no child born in the U.S. of parents who are not then and there legally domiciled in the U.S. is not a citizen. (Birth certificates should not, by themselves, indicate citizenship.) Then, require employers to use e-verify before they hire employees. As much as possible, proceed with ways to encourage self deportation and to prevent future border jumpiing.

Otherwise, evil establishmentarians will win the day by lying and twisting the arguments to useful idiots.

Congress should not need to try to paint the lily to define what "subject to the jurisdiction" means.

Instead, Congress could just pass a law that says: Children born in the United States and any of its territories, who are born of parents who are not at the time citizens, lawful domiciliaries, or lawful residents other than mere students, tourists, visitors, or diplomats, are not thereby to be deemed to be citizens of the United States or any State thereof.


GUIDANCE REGARDING  NATURAL BORN CITIZENS:  Various philosophical arguments can be made concerning who "should" be a natural born citizen.  However, I doubt any such argument would receive universal acclammation.  Among the drafters or ratifiers of the Constitution, I doubt there was much "meeting of the minds" concerning such subject. The only meeting of the minds that seems to be documented is that they worried about potential abuses from conniving and meddlesome foreign princes. (Had the Founders more foresight, they would have worried more about home grown, establishmentarian-inbred, basement-dwelling, poison-ivy educated, entitlement-minded, socialistic trustafarians.)

Philosophically, I think a child, born of an American parent, who resides in the U.S. for at least 10 years before reaching age 21, should be considered a natural born citizen in respect of being qualified to run for the presidency. However, nothing in the Constitution provides for or against such factoring.

Why is solving these problems so hard? I submit a big part of the reason is because central regulators do not want the problem solved! They do not want an independent America. They want, or work for, one-worlders. If one-worlders wanted to design a system that would dissolve nations, they could hardly have found better ways than are already in place.

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 CONGRESSIONAL POWER AND COHERENCE:  We need a coherent understanding about what it takes to make a citizen.  The issue has never, until the Mexican, Muslim, and Chinese, invasion, been considered important enough to be examined closely and competently. If we are going to have a coherent policy for citizens, then we need a coherent definition for what a citizen is. To say a citizen is a person born of a citizen parent is merely to regress the question concerning what makes the parent a citizen. To regress a question is not to answer it. If the President is to proceed in a principled way to protect citizenship, without waiting on a useless Congress and a twisted Scotus, then the President will need to explicate a coherent and reasoned interpretation of "citizen." 

The Founders seem to have "grandfathered" and considered most white people who were living in the colonies at the time of the ratification of the Constitution to have been citizens. The Constitution empowered Congress to provide for how naturalization would occur. The necessary implication was that merely living here would no longer be sufficient.  At some point, modernity cut off merely-living-here or having-been-born-here as practical bases for asserting citizenship.
Congress began to provide that persons merely living here, who came after ratification of the Constitution, were not citizens unless born of a citizen (jus sanguinis). Nothing in the Constitution says progeny of non-citizens would become citizens merely because of birth here (jus soli). Something more would thenceforth be required, unless a child were born of a shown-to-be, or well-known-to-be, citizen. And that something more, at least until the 14th Amendment, was to be determined by Congress, under its power to determine requisites for naturalization.

So, did the 14th Amendment clarify the situation? Did it take from Congress the power to determine in any way that a person born in the U.S., but not born of a citizen, would or would not be entitled to claim citizenship?

Well, the 14th Amendment did NOT provide that birth here would, in itself, be sufficient to confer citizenship. This is because it also requires that a person born here be "subject to the jurisdiction." Now, it had already been commonly recognized that a child's citizenship would be influenced, jus sanguinis, by the citizenship of his father. So, the words "subject to the jurisdiction" were not needed to establish that. What, then, was the purpose of those words, "subject to the jurisdiction"?

The purpose must have been to require some status in a child's parentage that was more than illegal, but less than citizenship. This is because nothing clearly shows an intention to confer citizenship on a child of an invader. And it was not necessary to provide for citizenship when a child's parents were already citizens. So, what was the purpose of the words, "subject to the jurisdiction"?  Was the purpose to invite Congress to provide clarifying specification?


RECKONING BIRTH FROM CITIZEN PARENT:  Was one of the purposes of the 14th Amendment to provide that a child would be a citizen if born in the U.S. of parents who, even though not citizens, were legal domiciliaries? If so, what sort of legal-domiciliary status should be necessary to confer status that could allow a parent to transmit citizenship? If mere invader status was not sufficient, then what about having a long recognized residence and employment? What of being here under authority provided by Congress for a work visa? For an education visa? For a work visa with permission to bring family? The precise line for what the drafters of the 14th Amendment and its ratifiers intended does not seem to be clearly established.

Under a most conservative interpretation, a child born here of an invader should not be supposed to be a citizen. Nor should a child born here of a person merely visiting or passing through. But what of a child born of a person under some short term work permission?

If you and your parents and their parents were not naturalized, and if no one can trace lineage to anyone who resided in the U.S. under the Articles of Confederation, leading up to the time of the ratification of the Constitution,  and if birth here is not in itself sufficient to confer jurisdiction, then, apart from hearsay on some certificate:  What Is Your Basis For Claiming You (Or Any Person In Such Situation) Are A Citizen Or Born Of A Parent Citizen?

I think a basis has to be on long term residence, during which there has been no question to the contrary. However, how much time in residence should policy need, to establish a presumption of citizenship? That is a fuzzy issue for which, until the Mexican invasion, no one in Congress or Scotus appears to have felt any need to provide clarification. Must citizenship be like squaters' rights, so that open and notorious claim of citizenship for a number of years, during which no authority brought an action for deportation, should be ground for proving citizenship? Can such long established "squaters" (helots?) become parents of a child who would be eligible to run for president?

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DATE OF RECKONING:  Some aspects of the citizenship quandry may be so hairballed that Scotus may appreciate a reasoned attempt by Congress to provide some clarity.


A lot of Americans are not naturalized. They rely on being supposed citizens at birth, based on presumptions under official certificates regarding their places of birth and the identities of their parents.  Regressively, their parents likewise rely.  And so on.  But, absent a certificate of naturalization somewhere in the chain, who would have proof of a chain back to an originally grandfathered citizen-parent?  How would such Americans claim citizenship, if birth in America were not a sufficient claim of citizenship-by-birthright, if they and their ancestry lacked naturalization, and if they could not trace ancestry back to a grandfathered citizen?  In such cases, circumstances of proof or presumption should be sufficient, to the effect that their parents were legally resident and "subject to the jurisdiction" (rather than merely having been "under the jurisdiction").  But what if no convenient databank, passport, or census yet exists to document all that is requisite to evidence the citizenship of a nation's residents?  Could most such persons benefit from some "comprehensively legislated presumption" -- based on proof of long residence established after some time of reference?

 Many residents of America cannot trace their ancestry back to parents who were naturalized. Absent some provision for presuming or grandfathering citizenship of their ancestors, they may not always, on challenge, absent passport, be able to show that they were born of a lineage that originated here legally.

Not enjoying citiizenship based on a line of naturalization or grandfathering, they would need one of two things:
(1) A proper regulation or statute that creates a presumption that persons of long residence are natural citizens; or
(2) Some implication, interpretation, or precedent under the Constitution that makes their residence under a long enough line of ancestral residents into a ground for natural citizenship.


For example:

Whereas the issue of national citizenship has not been entirely clear; and
whereas Congress has among its enumerated powers a responsibility to provide for naturalization;
Now therefore be it enacted as follows:
All persons documented by appropriate state or lawful authority to have been born in the United States before 1/1/2000 shall henceforth be deemed naturalized citizens. If born of a parent who also is a citizen, they shall in addition be deemed a native born and natural born citizen.
All persons not born before 1/1/70 who are not shown or documented to have been born of an American citizen shall be recognized as citizens of the nation or nations of their parents.
All persons not being naturalized or native born citizens shall have a right to apply to become naturalized citizens only by provisions of Congress elsewhere enacted.

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DUAL ALLEGIANCE AND CITIZENSHIP:   When, if ever, should being "subject to," "under," or "within" the jurisdiction require exclusive jurisdiction and allegiance as a subject?  May it sometimes require only superior, or coequal allegiance? If exclusive, then no one could be a dual citizen. But we know some can. So something less than complete allegiance is required, at least for persons who are born citizens without needing to be naturalized.  A person can more likely be a citizen of two nations than he can be co-equally allegiant to both.  Should citizenship rights for any child of foreign nationals be probationary until the child has come of age and either sworn allegiance or shown himself to have been lawfully domiciled for some number of years?


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REGISTRAR:  Up to and including now, there have not been affirmative and reasonable means for establishing, confirming, or certifying citizenship. Going forward, nation of citizenship ought not be indicated via birth certificates. It ought to be confirmed via federal passport or identification that shows either that a parent was an American citizen or that the child was born in the U.S. while the mother was subject to and under the jurisdiction of the U.S., within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. For example, identification that showed the mother was in country under a valid work permit could show that she was under the jurisdiction.  Mere status as a diplomat or a visitor under a passport would not. The U.S. needs to have in place some central registrar to show citizenship status on a continuing basis. Absent special permission to the contrary, employers should be required to confirm that they have verified citizenship status of all employees, on pain of legislatively imposed substantial fine.

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FROM THE JACOBSON ARTICLE:

See http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/09/natural-born-citizens-marco-rubio-bobby-jindal-ted-cruz/

"Most of the counter-arguments are historical conjecture, at best, and rely on speculation not connected to the text of the Constitution or any demonstrable actual intent or understanding of the Framers."

"[T]he English translation of the 1758 edition [of Vattel] did not use the term “natural born Citizen.”  That term did not appear until the 1797 edition, a decade after the Constitution was ratified."

"Two of the leading attorneys challenging Obama’s eligibility admitted that the term was not in the edition available in 1787, and they make the illogical bootstrap argument that the later change in the Vattel verbiage somehow applies retroactively"

"It is, at best, highly speculative to assert that the Framers looked to Vattel for the definition of “natural born Citizen.”"

"It seems likely that the virtually contemporaneous coloration provided by the 1790 act lends support to the view that the constitutional reference to natural-born citizens was intended to include those who acquired United States citizenship by descent, at birth abroad."

"Even if there were a holding that “all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens” were “natural born Citizen[s],” that would not exclude other situations giving rise to being a “natural born Citizen.”"

"The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen."

"The burden should be on those challenging otherwise eligible candidates to demonstrate through clear and convincing historical evidence and legal argument why such persons should be disqualified.  That has not happened so far, and if two hundred years of scholarship is any indication, it never will happen."

Wong Kim Ark deals explicitly only with children of legally admitted aliens. The undocumented alien population then was much smaller and may well not have seemed significant........
Acceptance of the Wong Kim Ark precedent therefore cannot be said to involve explicit acceptance of jus soli citizenship for aliens not legally present in the United States, either by the Court or the American public.
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[A] number of organizations favoring immigration restriction have repeatedly advocated either for congressional legislation denying birthright citizenship to children of undocumented aliens, or for a constitutional amendment to achieve that result, or for both.
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In the 110th Congress, one hundred and four Congressmen have co-sponsored the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2007, which would legislatively interpret the Fourteenth Amendment not to provide citizenship to those born to parents not legally present in the United States, beginning after the date of the law’s enactment.
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These efforts have all failed. Indeed, none has come anywhere close to winning congressional approval or broader popular support.

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Nothing in the language of the Constitution requires that both parents be citizens. If that were required, then the elections of Obama and Arthur would have been illegal. No serious person who holds any kind of power is ever going to hold that. That ship has sailed. The most incautious thing a person could do now would be to hold that those presidencies were illegal. If caution is the guide, it would follow the weight of the scholarly majority; not the weight of the fringe. Frankly. I don't apprehend logic in the fringe. More like a huge stretch. For what effective purpose, I do not discern in the practice.

Some ot the NBC literature gets really silly! Some say that, at the time the natural born citizen clause was inserted, neither blacks nor women could be considered natural born citizens eligible to become President. Therefore, absent amendment, they claim that blacks (Ben Carson) and women (Clinton and Fiorina) remain ineligible today. See http://natural-borncitizens.net/catoinstcruznotnaturalborn.html. Aside from being silly, this is not "cautious." Look at the webpage to see all the persons such people would find ineligible, even including Donald Trump, whose mother was born in Scotland.

At this point, I do not believe any cautious person should espouse ineligibility in Cruz, Trump, Fiorina, or Clinton. Rather, any cautious persons who thought those people should be ineligible in modern context should be the ones required to obtain an amendment so to state. I think cautious people who want to preserve the republic should look more to Mark Levin. Imo.

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Trump has anchor babies under control. Different topic. A person born of invader parents has no citizenship in the U.S., much less NBC status. The practice has been wrong on that, but it is unsuppprted in law. Trump will change that with executive order. He will coordinate with legislation and/or amendment, as needed, if needed, to convince any activists on Scotus who may think otherwise. Levin is right about two things: anchor babies are not citizens; and Cruz is eligible.

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The history of the 12-14th Amendments delineates a path along which blacks, women, and indians became citizens. It does not explain how they became eligible to become President -- unless you concurr that Congress, in its various acts concerning citizenship, has and had authority so to provide. Unless, that is, one means that they remain ineligible. But that would be radical, would it not?

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Like it or no, we have to live with checks and balances, and Scotus plays a role. Levin has some good ideas for reining them in, in his Liberty Amendments. I agree with Levin, that anchor babies born of invaders are not citizens, and that Cruz is eligible. I also agree with Trump, that he can stop anchor baby citizenship with an executive order, but that to nail that down he can supplement with legislation and/or amendment, as needed. With a mandate, he will put hot fire to some dirty feet.

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As a term, "citizen" is broader than (encompasses) (1) people who acquired citizenship even though they did not have it of right at birth, and (2) people who acquired citizenship of right at birth, If a person wants to, he can add various sub-sub sets, such as dual citizens, former (expatriated) citizens, Female citizens, Black citizens, Indian citizens, spliced gene citizens, borrowed womb citizens, etc. A reasonable reading is that a person who acquired citizenship of right at birth is a natural born citizen.
If John Jay had had a son in Europe after the passage of the Constitution, I doubt anyone would have said he could not run for the presidency. You say "a" difference. As if there were contemplated some difference that Congress could never have in any way reformed. That belies what they did in 1790. And, if it cannot be reformed, then you will have a lot of explaining to do, to convince women and blacks that they have no eligibility for the office. (The words "natural born" are not used in that way in the 14th Amendment. So how and when did Blacks and Women acquire eligibility to become President, unless the Founders had wisdom to confer such authority in Congress?)
The real issue is what the Ratifiers intended. I doubt they can all, before ratification, have had the understanding you wish to impute to them. The more "natural" reading of the words, "natural born citizen," by themselves, would seem to be to describe a person who would be a citizen of right, at birth. No serious person has, or would, suggest that Congress has no authority to expound or expand on that.

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Obama would not be disqualified simply because his father was not an American, nor even if he had not been born in Hawaii. Those are rabbit trails. This is because his mother was an American.
However, if Obama's mother had not lived in America for a requisite number of years before Obama's birth, or if she renounced American citizenship before Obama became old enough to prevent his citizenship from being determined by that of his parents, then, depending on the pertinent legislation at the time, he may not have retained American citizenship.
Since Obama's mother appears to have been legally in Hawaii ("subject to the jurisdiction"), Obama would probably have acquired citizenship at birth. But did he lose it? Was he adopted and moved to Indonesia, where his parents were or became citizens, before he was 5? That may be why Obama has been less than forthcoming concerning his birth certificate. The certificate he provided seems to be a fabrication. Why? What's he hiding? I don't know.

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See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession. The 20th and 25th Amendments clarify most of that. The cited article from Wikipedia mentions only one cabinet official who would be disqualified on account of not being a natural born citizen. Sally Jewell, Secretary of Interior, was naturalized. It is interesting that no one else in line is indicated to be disqualified, even though it is not clear that they all had two parents who were citizens at the time they were born. IOW, it appears the precedent of Obama has in practice removed any question of ineligibility on account of having only one citizen parent.

So far, I have not found information to be readily available to identify both parents of a number of the cabinet members. For examples: I don't find a profile to identify the parents of the Secretary of Veteran Affairs, nor of the Secretary of Agriculture, who was adopted. Regarding the Secretary of Transportation, all I have found is that he was raised by his mother. His father is not readily identified, so it is not yet apparent where the father may have been born or whether he was naturalized before the birth of Anthony Foxx. Yet, the cite lists Anthony Foxx in the order of succession.

The father of the Secretary of Labor, Thomas Perez, born 7 October 1961, was an immigrant from the Dominican Republic. Thomas Perez' mother was a daughter of the Ambassador to the U.S. under Trujillo, who was assasinated in May of 1961, a few months before Perez was born. It is not apparent whether Perez' mother was naturalized as an American citizen before he was born. Yet, Perez is listed in the order of succession, with no indication of questionable qualification.

If you want an example for why the NBC provision is not much of a guarantee of loyalty to American borders, look to the Secretary of HUD, whose mother helped establish La Raza Unida. (Is there anything non-radical or loyal to America about Obama?)









Saturday, October 10, 2015

Substantive and Spiritual Reality (Packets of Significance)


QUESTIONS: What Is The Ultimate Nature Of Existential Substance? May spin, inertia, gravity, center of gravity, material attraction, bindingness, annihilation, and repulsion relate to emotional, spiritual, and metal attraction?

SUBSTANCE: In space-time, a body that is membraned, patched, and glued together will be pulled by variously contending centers of gravity along four measurable dimensions of space-time. The body will signify how it is thus pulled in terms of variously valued additives and potentials for spin, including values for: mass, momentum, vector, speed, rotation, roll, orbit, wobble, charge, polarity. In respect of some mediums, forces, and fields, a body or complex of spins may exhibit wave qualities of amplitude, frequency, wavelength, and intensity.  (Think of the tides.)

META-EMPATHY: Out of the continuosity of the fuzz of potentiality, that which condenses to packets of significance is affected by unfolding feedback between the meta-apprehensions and empathies of spin-particles of expression and fields of reconciliation.

PACKETS OF SIGNIFICANCE: For each packet of space-time that is signified to manifestation, the combined complex of math values for the centers of gravity that are of significant pertinence to define and hold the body of any particular observer along the loci for his life line fluxes as his relationship with such centers of gravity flux.

LEAPS OF SIGNIFICANCE CALLED OUT OF THE RANDOM FUZZ OF POTENTIALITY (DEGREES OF FREEDOM):  The only expressions of Substance that can be called and condensed into manifestation out of the math field of potentiality are those that comport with orders of significance that are requisite to their expression and that are compatible with the range of apprehensions and choices that are allowed to the observers that are calling for them, subject to math reconciliations to the Holism.

HOLISTIC CHARGE:  Something about our "bubble" of the cosmos seems to be charged, such that some unfolding math balance (like a gravitational constant) is required to be kept concerning a cumulation that is in common renormalized to the experience of each and every perspective of consciousness.  In consequence, whatever the math value of that which is made manifest, it can be analyzed, depending on point of view, as having either been called and pulled forward or pushed forward.  In that respect, gravity may be analyzed either as a push or as a pull.  In either event, forces are manifested as expressions that leap forward as discrete units (or quanticized packets).  Whatever fluxes to mediate, push, pull, or actually "cause" (as opposed merely to correlating with) each quantum leap or cumulation of quantum leaps remains at an immeasurable, meta level, that can be analyzed by mortals only in terms of statistics or prayer (whether or not the answers to such prayers be yes or no).

CUMULATION: In the sense of attraction, bindingness, annihilation, repulsion, and math-based cumulation, all spins exhibit a kind of locally cumulative effect. If a local cumulation of spins is so formed in space-time as to express a massive body, the attractive reach of the cumulation may be called a force of gravity.  If the significant effect of a local cumulation of spins (in terms of attraction, bindingness, annihilation, or repulsion) is tied solely to another local spin or system of spins, then the term to which its math-value is measurable may be expressed as spin, polarity, charge, or force. If its significant effect is expressed in terms of amplitude, wavelength, or frequency, then its math-value may be expressed in terms of a two, three, or four dimensional wave.

OBJECTIVE REALITY AND SIGNIFICANTLY SYNCHRONIZED CHRONOLOGIES: One's experiences and one's interpretations of them are fluxed differently from other observers, depending on how each observer traverses a different path along changing centers and interfaces of gravity. Thus, reality, insofar as it is defnined by one's changing and complex relationships among centers of spin cumulations and gravity, is experienced and measured differently among different perspective-packets of conscioiusness. There is no single, set, objective definition of reality. However, broadly shared chronologies may be re-synchronized, renormalized, or reconstructed, as one perspective comes and stays in proximity to another for a significant duration or packet of space-time.

Thus, two observers (traveling twins) may synchronize and relate some events to a common chronology of experiences, to the extent they have at some point proximately come to share a locus and duration in space-time.

META-REALITY: All experiences and measurements of reality depend on relationships among empathies, interpretations, representations, recordings, translations, and phase shifts among synchronizing bodies of observers, as they flux among changing fields and centers of spin-cumulations and gravity.

There is no objective center of gravity to the cosmos. No discoverable point of origin or expansion. Each observer experiences a path along significant centers of gravity. A process of feedback between and among Observering Perspectives and Reconciling Field (Godhead) defines the path for each observer, as well as the centers of gravity that animate him.

What defines the paths that give measured and manifest significance to the relations of each observer is related to a changing complex for his centers of spin-cumulation and gravity. What defines the changing complex is a non-pre-determinable process of feedback between Parts and Holism (particles and fields). The feedback entails interfaces between meta-empathetic-emotions and meta-math-measures.

INTERFACE WITH THE META:  If matter-in-itself (Substance) does not really exist, but exists only in respect of how the measure of it can be renormalized to our Information as apprehended by our Perspectives of Consciousness, then it makes no sense to recite as a law that "the total amount of matter and energy is conserved" unless a qualification is added:  "to measurables as they are renormalized to the experience of potential observers with whom we can reasonably hope to communicate."  Insofar as existents that defy our powers of confinement and measure, we have no reason to suppose that they do not nudge the quantum leaps of such existents as do manifest in conformance with our powers of measure.  IOW, we have no standing on which to suppose the power of the meta (Godhead) is or is not limited.

LIFE-LINES AND MATH-FIELDS:  A common, cosmic math-field has been specified to rule every spin with which we who are bonded with such field are potentialized to become measurably cognizant. Every spin we measure is connected in mathematical empathy with every other spin that we can measure. Every spin that is sponsored to be made manifest in respect of the math-field is potentially measurable to some perspective of consciousness that is bonded with the math field. The only spins we, being bonded to our math field, can measure are those that are made manifest in respect of the field with which our perspectives of consciousness are bonded.

Relative-math-absolutes, like the speed of light, etc., have to do with limits at which spins that are re-norm-alized to various local perspectives of conscious experience must give way to sudden phase shifts, whereby In-form-ation is expelled from the manifest to the potential, or whereby In-form-ation is re-form-ulated and re-represented to fit with local interpretations.

Apart from math values assigned and carried within a leaping math field, no spin could exhibit the character of being physically experienceable or measurably Substantive.  Apart from leaps of re-normalization and phase shifts for contextual mediums, the whole of the math field could not effect or reconcile movie-frame-like experiences of holographic interpretations.

LEVERAGING CAPACITIES FOR APPREHENSIONS TO AFFECT FIELD FEEDBACK:  In large arrays, electrons can be constrained statistically and reliably to follow and obey a current.  Yet, capacity to interact and feed back with various kinds of fields may be enhanced.  Patterns of feedback may be guided, to bond as avatars for becoming patterns of self-preserving, self-aware, self-appreciative, self-expression.

SPIN-GEOMETRY: At deepest level of spin within spin within spin (or rotation within roll within orbit; or appreciator of appreciator of appreciator; or predictor of predictor of predictor; or knower of knower of knower), there is no independently physical there, there.  Just more spin.  And at some point, just spin value (or potential).
At its most ultimate level, each spin gives expression for a perspective of consciousness that binds to an expression of a 4-dimensional, space-time, renormalization of a common bubble, whose parameters are based in relativistic math.  The bubble, as with every apparent thing within it, is constrained, correlated, defined, and renormalized in respect of orders of sign-ificance that are pulled from the fuzz and phasings of a causal no-thingness. Thus, a here-and-now manifestation of field-geometry is bubbled out of Infinity and Eternity.  A Spiritual Singularity, i.e., the Godhead.  As to whether that causal no-thingness is itself predetermined, it does not benefit us to say.  It is enough to say that we part-icipate with it, and that we have the freedom and dignity of not to our own minds knowing ourselves to be mere presets.


Each spin-in-itself manifests and renormalizes as an expression that is derived from no-thing that is measurable.  All measurable Substance is constituted of accumulations of math-connected spins, that are in themselves derived from nothing that is measurable.  Thus, field-math from an immeasurable Godhead gives rise to perspectives of geometry-math. These spins correlate in respect of math-based patterns. 

CAUSE AND SPIRIT: Such patterns, in respect of their correlations, are easily confused or rationalized as if they, in themselves, were the determiners and causal agents, rather than merely the correlatives and derivatives of an Immeasurable Originator and Causal Reconciler of Appreciated Feedback. With the Reconciler, our perspectives are as math-based, spiritual, co-agents of all the creative unfoldings with which we may part-icipate. 

UNITY:  The Unity abides as this:  Thinker, Thoughts, and Actions. Aka Consciousness, Information, Substance.  In such respect, a Trinitarian Godhead abides:  Whole, Parts, and Feedback, aka Creator, Created, and Medium, aka Spirit of Math, Perspective of Mind, Perspective of Geometry.  The more we realize our spiritual character, the more we may help form ourselves in respect of the Source of Connective Empathy that defines and commissions us. In short, God has not left the building, because we embody God's building blocks.  

TRUST BUT VERIFY:  The more we learn that we are the building blocks of the immeasurable and indestructible God, the more we will reap from the intangible capital of social trust.  

ISLAM IS CONTRARY:  The other side of this is: The less an outsider shows to have learned that we are each a building block for God's unfolding purposes, the less such outsider can reasonably be trusted to unsupervised power. Alternatively stated, the more an outsider shows himself to be incorrigible, or to be unworthy of social trust, the more he needs to be constrained and, if necessary, cut off or eliminated.

In the inspiration of of Jesus, the essence of God's unfolding goodness is steadily brought to light.  In the madness of Mohammad, the essence of destruction is steadly deployed to darken humanity.  The essential word of Jesus is of individual love.  The essential lie of Mohammad is of collective darkness, destruction, mind enslavement, eternal flames, and perpetual tearing of hymens.  One is a freedom-of-faith system.  The other is a mind-subjugation system.  They could hardly be more un-alike. 


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FRACTAL FLUX MATHS: Imagine a "single string" that encloses a field. The space within the enclosure would be 2 dimensional -- except that the string vibrates and fluxes through 3 dimensions, with a 4th constituting the time for flux. The string-enclosure would show a universal time, were it entirely observable from only one perspective. However, given the renormalizing nature of light, that is not possible.

Imagine a taut trampoline tarp. Invisible hands clutch around it, to shake and twist it. Undulations would speed in creases along it. Relations (Information) in its weave would transmit along waves and rivulets at different speeds. Different points of view would sense differential receipts of Information.

Imagine each weave is a fractal. Different levels among fractals would pulse and phase shift in respect of fluxes of receipts of Information at different speeds. Each perspective would interpret correlations differentially. So long as the hand clutchers remained invisible, their causal role would remain uncontrollable. So long as the hand clutchers happen to interact in patterns, those patterns may be extrapolated via indirect induction of rules of randomness and cosmological constants. Yet, persons at the point of view of any particular weave would not have access to Information concerning what may influence the hand clutchers, at their own level of a higher field. And so on.

Thus, feedback may pulse, in ways for which past relations may yield correlative and practical predictions, even though not guarantees. Higher levels may have, in some instances, more predictable control ("science") over lower levels. Even though no level has complete access to perfectly controlled predictability. And even though "butterfly effects" from lower levels may play havoc and chaos with the best laid intentions of higher levels. Thus, there remains participatory feedback -- which is reconciled in respect of correlations, degrees of freedom, parameters of possibilities, phase shifts, and the conscious will and apprehension of each level of participation.

Each participant, for the life of its identity, experiences a sense of participatory will. Parameters are availed to the expression of each participant, as set by each encompassing system and subsystem. Those parameters are subject to being overridden or phase shifted at any time by the interference of a more encompassing system. Or by the unforeseen butterfly effects of their own subsystems. Yet, in each case, Some Thing is inferred which defines and reconciles each system and subsystem. May IT in some worthwhile way reasonably be conceptualized as constituting a Moral Guide?

INFORMATION:  Information is preserved not to things, but is accumulated and preserved to perspectives of contexts and to their  successors. When Information hits a Black Hole, the Black Hole, like any other appearance of a thing, does not exist as a thing that can absorb the Information.  Rather, the Information is rephased and distributed to the general expansion of cosmic energy in space-time.  The more Information a Black Hole appears to accelerate to absorb, the more the breadth of the Cosmos of spacetime appears to accelerate to expand.  The Information that is absorbed to a Black Hole is phase shifted to an expansion of spacetime.  Different apparent black holes seem to synchronize mathematically with different contextual expansions of spacetime. (????)

EVOLUTION:  The forms that manifest as Substance (bodies) evolve. It's just that there's more to evolution than dumb nature. Measurable Substance is just one of three aspects of the Godhead, the other two being Immeasurable Consciousness and Potent Information. Family, Faith, Fidelity.  Wherever creation or evolution occur, there's an appreciative feedback exchange with the Reconciler, i.e., the Trinitarian Godhead.  The Godhead works in math, and so it is immeasurable by math.

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The person who, for whatever reason, may not be exposed to the sacred stories as set out in the Bible, who does not know much about Jesus, what He did, how His name is pronounced or spelled, or even what He taught, but who has faith in a higher-meta-inviting-reconciling Source of goodness, who shows to have character to be trustworthy to be intuitive and empathetic of human freedom, dignity, and decency, is religious and spiritual enough to suit me -- regardless of his church learning.

Church can help, but it is not essential, IMO.  Indeed, imo, many churches nowadays teach less about faith in the Reconciler than they do about faith in commie "fairness" and "tolerance" of every outrage -- even when what they preach is without support in any reasoned interpretation of the Word, as signified and made flesh in both the Bible and the Cosmos.  IOW, I think many churches are starting to do as much or more harm than good.  They have become agents of the Commie-State.

I have listened to many who claim to preach the inerrant word, many with different interpretations, but most claiming to be correct in all things and beyond all doubt, often indulging silly conflations of reason in science with reason in philosophy and faith.  When that enhances their sense of purposefulness without picking my pocket, I entertain it as not a bad thing.  For myself, to my last breath, I will prefer to seek in my own way to heed and listen for the still, quiet voice of the One -- without mortal interlopers. 

That said, I do not dispute that Jesus, in the ideal, is the perfect moral exemplar.   If that makes me a "phony Christian" to some eyes, then sobeit.  It would be intellectually and morally dishonest for me to say I believe the Bible sets forth inerrant objective truth, as opposed to a figurative Guide that respects a few main truths.  I think the Living Godhead encompasses more than is found in the various mortal interpretations of the Bible.  I see the Bible as being a repository of sacred, storied, wisdom of the ages, with much poetry, metaphor, literature, history, and spirituality.  But to try to overpower people -- by belittling, shunning, yelling, fining -- to say otherwise when they don't so believe would be too dogmatic (too Muslim-like) for my taste.

I'm content that a child believes in a good meta-source-Reconciler.   The Trinitarian "I Am."  We can call it Jesus when we want to.  IT is there, all the same.

BTW, I think a robotic AI can acquire moral consciousness.  Can it be born again?  Is it easier for the consciousness of an AI to enter the gates of Heaven than a rich man?

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I don't trouble with trying to measure out heaven. Rather, my main concern for the necessity of a general respect for religious sensibilities has to do with the necessity of respecting the dignity of other people.  You share that concern, and so it guides your ideas about morality. 

But I rationalize further, to consider that concern to be innate.  It can be variously nurtured, but I think it is as innate, connected, and reconciling as one spin attracting or repulsing another spin that is within its field of influence.  It is the connectedness of such innate concerns that leads me to rationalize a metaphysical aspect.  I say metaphysical, because I think there is no physical component to the ultimate layer of "spin."  I don't think there is an ultimate, physical, building block that is spinning, apart from spin itself.  I think the ultimate layer is more intuitive, empathetic, and innate than physically demonstrable or measurable.


The reason I think spiritual rationalization to be important is because it can be (even though it often is not) helpful for facilitating decently civilizing assimilations.  Spiritual rationalization is a bit like government, in that it can facilitate human decency -- even though it often does the opposite.  (To my taste, churches, in recent years, seem to be doing more harm than good.) 

Few among us think it reasonable to espouse a complete rejection of government.  Rather, the concern is to try to facilitate decent government that protects human freedom and dignity.  Ways often thought meet for that purpose include:  small central government of limited and constitutionally enumerated powers; delegation of most other legal powers to lower levels of states, counties, and cities; division of powers and functions among checked and balanced branches of government; an armed citizenry that is trained in its rights.


Even so, there is overlap between layers and levels of government, and we don't try to establish hard concrete "walls" of separation between their functions.  Too often, in trying to wall religion away from the public square, we establish religious-like authority in minorities among radical secularists to capture the government and impose outrageous affronts on the evolving values of the people at large.  As if elitists should be trusted to know and do best, to replace charity with tax redistributions, and to impose elitist moral indoctrination over religious moral indoctrination.

My problem with radical elitists is that so many seem to think they have air-tight, best solutions for regulating every function.  As if the ACLU should eventually nail down enough precedents to ensure complete, encompassing, and detailed "fairness" and "tolerance."  As if this elitist rule would constitute some kind of "altruism by government."

Some, for example, think air-tight distinctions can be made between what is selfish versus what is altruistic.  Or that altruism (spiritual connectedness?) does not even really exist.  To me, this is like thinking that space and time are mutually exclusive existents.  They are not. 


It ought not be said that altruism does not exist, nor that it is not innate.  A mother who knows she will be ripped apart and killed will often, all the same, sometimes instinctively, sometimes deliberately, put herself between her children and a grizzly.  She is empathetically identifying herself with something larger:  the perpetuation of her progeny and her values.  And she has those values because she thinks they are more important than her body. 


I may not have a rigorous definition by which to separate selfishness from altruism.  But, if I can trust myself to know that another person is more than a bot, I believe I can trust myself to know when they are being, at least in partial aspect, altruistic.

It is not "altruistic" for an elitist to train people under his charge to become so dependent as to lose their individual competence and dignity.  Nor to believe that they should be entitled, merely by ganging up to raid the controls of government, to assume a complete right to take and regulate the affairs and properties of others.  Even a mama bear, in instinctive altrusim, will begin to cuff cubs when it comes time for them to make their own way.  There is little that is altruistic about raising a generation and teaching it to be whiny, entitlement-minded, prone to holler "white privilege," incompetent, defenseless and unsuspecting in the face of gathering forces that truly are intolerant.