Thursday, November 13, 2008

Never Ending Story



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Never Ending Story (of Math) — struggle between will to power (competition) vs. will to math (cooperation):

ALL OF NATURE IS MATH: (I believe) Manifesting conceptualized, algorithmically-leveraged, mathematical functions potential-izes inferences (quantum fuzz?) in respect of competition to emerge in respect of such functions.
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EVOLUTION OF PHYSICAL REALITY: A particular observer's measuring of a perspective of physical reality is derivative of one set of mathematical functions operating on and measuring another. The "physicality" is merely byproduct of program-feedback receptivity of a compartmentalized morphology of mathematical functions to interpretative translation.
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While the "ultimate causation" of change or evolution in the morphology may be discussed in respect of various perspectives and factors, no particular list or explication of factors can ever encompass or complete a holistically consistent, coherent, and coordinate model or explanation.
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One factor would seem to be competition and/or cooperation among cohabitants of mathematical niches for expressing consciousness. Another factor would seem to be perspective of consciousness or will, beyond physical appearance or measurement. Another factor would seem to be competition and/or cooperation among such perspectivistic sources of spiritual will ("Elohim"). Another factor would seem to be synchronization in respect of the Holism.
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The combination of such factors does not reduce (as any "physical closure" or "formula complete in itself" or "natural theory for explaining everything") to mere math or nature, absent a dualistic dancing with Consciousness (God).
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If all such factors can be directed by, or reduced to, one unifying source of control, such reductive source, by definition, is irremediably beyond the power of any particular part, as a part, to direct or comprehend. As a particular perspective, I may only comprehend such perspectives and parameters as are inadequate to encompass and complete the whole.
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If some holistic aspect of myself comprehends me, it does not judge or convey such comprehension to me during such chronological sequence as I am being manifested as a particular perspective.
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MATH MANIFESTS TO CONSCIOUSNESS AND COMMUNITIES: As an inference emerges into conscious, manifest apprehension of a receptive perspective, such inference will often also happen to have emerged into the communicable apprehension of numerous or similar perspectives of consciousness.
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SEPARATION OF CONSCIOUSNESS: No perspective of Consciousness can temporally will or choose (or be explicitly or randomly directed) to become, in any way, mathematically sequenced or compartmentalized apart from the underlying Unity of Consciousness without simultaneously coming to experience an interpretation of such mathematical separation in temporal association with figurative representation, i.e., "physicality." That is, no birth into physicality is independently "physical"; rather, its physicality is secondary or derivative of algorithmic functioning, in a dualistic dance with what might as well be termed "Consciousness" (or "God," or Mind of God --- of which we are availed no complete understanding).
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MEASUREMENT PROBLEM: To exercise consciousness to compartmentalize perspectives is to simultaneously implicate mathematical operations. No compartmentalized form emerges into manifestation, absent a meaningful, representative sensing or measuring of it. Such sensing or measuring may be conceptualized as an expression of “Consciousness” (whatever that is).
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MATH AND CONSCIOUSNESS SHARE AN UNBOUNDED ASPECT: Platonic shapes dimly inferred and imagined collapse into the appreciative focus of such perspectives of consciousness as happen (or will) to be receptive. And so on .... unbounded.

RELATIONALITY OF PHYSICS: But, such physical shapes and worlds do not exist in themselves.

MANIFEST EXISTENCE: Rather, such platonic shapes and forms become focused and collapsed into “existence,” i.e., into the manifest, relational experience of such perspectives of consciousness as happen to be, or to become, communicably attuned. “Physical” experience is byproduct of consciousness’ experiencing of, or bringing of (or “collapsing” of) imagination into platonic focus.
Simply put, no "physical particle" or dimensional FORM “collapses” into existence or emerges into geometric manifestation, to function or be interpreted as such in any relational, appreciative, or meaningful way, absent some at least “potential-izing consciousness” or means by which to record, sense, observe, mathematically represent, algorithmically leverage, and/or conceptualize such form.
RELEVANT PATTERN EXISTENCE: No identifiably mathematical pattern reacts with another pattern, as such, unless some Aspect associated with one somehow interprets (or is "conscious" of) the other, as mathematical pattern.

EMERGENCE OF PLATONIC FORMS: Ultimately, how platonic forms happen to collapse relates (I intuit or believe) to a Supernatural-ity (NON-LOCAL HIDDEN VARIABLE), beyond empirical measure, i.e., to some unifying and/or synchronizing aspect among competing, cooperating, overlapping, holographic compartments of Consciousness. (Compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_variable.)

PARAMETERS: What, if anything, may limit the number or range of possible, evolving worlds or collapsing perspectives of such Consciousness?

NATURE: Perhaps, “Nature” consists of “nothing more than” the relation of fundamental laws of mathematics and logic — as such natural laws ever emerge, manifest, focus, measure, and recede — in expressive respect of a DUALISTIC DANCE with perspectives of Consciousness.

CONSCIOUSNESS: Consciousness “itself” may exist or be expressive in respect of both a relational and a non-relational aspect, such non-relational aspect being beyond representation or modeling that is complete, consistent, and coherent in respect of any (“natural”) mathematical formula or (“physical”) dimensional graph or representation.

MATH: No human being understands the Feynman equations of physics, in respect of why such equations work or should work. Rather, “understanding” is limited to appreciating that such equations, relative to particular purposes and perspectives, do work. (“Shut up and calculate!” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_interpretation.) Our “understanding” of such mathematical formulas does not enhance our understanding of WHY such formulas work or should work.

COMPARTMENTS OF WILL: What becomes “physically manifest” (I believe) is what emerges in respect of interactions among perspectives of Consciousness, i.e., competitive “wills to power” and cooperative “wills to math.” Manifestations are interpreted to compete, evolve, and morph in respect of their competing “sponsors,” overlapping compartments, or holographic perspectives of Consciousness.
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UNLIKE ANYTHING PHYSICAL (“God”?): Unifying Consciousness (God), in respect of existentially ultimate aspect, property, or character, may well be beyond and unlike anything we can imagine by referring only to our "physically" relational experience (as opposed to our innate, non-empirically verifiable intuition, supported indirectly by mathematical inference).
As far as we may know, God's assumption of mathematically compartmentalized and leveraged perspectives for idealizing mathematical functions may account for all the ingredients needed to account for all worlds.
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DEATH: An assimilated perspective of Consciousness cannot retain its assimilated continuity while repealing present opportunity for continuation of the line of mathematical functions that brought it to its relational locus. That is, too sudden a breach in a line of functions will kill the assimilated continuity of their relational direction. Sudden change in mathematical parameters is not impossible, per se, but is impossible to each species of observer, relative to too sudden a change in relation to any such observer.
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PROVERBS REGARDING IMAGINATION, MORALITY, AND THE SUPERNATURAL: " In My Father's house are many dwelling places." John 14:2 (http://bible.cc/john/14-2.htm). "Speak of the Devil and he shall appear." (http://bible.cc/john/14-2.htm.)
“Why then 'tis none to you; for there is nothing either good or
bad, but thinking makes it so.” (http://bible.cc/john/14-2.htm).
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ABSOLUTE PHYSICAL NOTHINGNESS:

Once a perspective of Consciousness has imaged, intuited, inferred, appreciated, sensed, or measured parameters for a locus relative to a dimensional or mathematical geometry, within such locus, there is no such thing as an absolute vacuum or “nothingness.”

Rather, such locus, once related to or by Consciousness, is teeming with existentially relational potential.

Suppose one represents one’s appreciation of such parameter-locus in respect of “fundamental particles” or quarks. Were one to suck all quarks out of such locus, one may have, on average, a “relative vacuum” of zero quarks. However, one would soon intuit and even measure effects of potential or “virtual quarks.” The vacuum of no quarks would, relative to the perspective considering it, be teeming with virtual potentials.

(I believe) This is in respect that neither physics nor particular building blocks (particles) of physics exist in themselves, but in respect of potential among communicating perspectives of Consciousness.

If humans, on average, detect the same number of ultimate particles of matter within our universe, it is in respect that our perspectives of Consciousness happen presently to be choosing (or to have been chosen) to relate and communicate in such respect for "our universe."

Ultimately, although "physical nothingness" does not exist-in-itself, neither does "physical somethingness" exist-in-itself. Rather, the existentiality of physics is only in respect of a "supernatural dancing" of Consciousness with Mathematics.
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INDIRECT MATHEMATICAL PROOF: I remain unsure whether math may avail indirect proof, perhaps by demonstrating how descriptions relating to qualities of "choice, causation, determination, randomness, and/or pre-determination" are beyond rigorous objectivity, but are instead rigorously dependent upon locus of focus, sphere of influence, and/or mathematical model / frame of interpretive reference or purpose.
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REASON TO BELIEVE IN GOD:
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Universal EMPIRICISM DEMONSTRATES that no compartmentalized form emerges into manifestation, absent meaningful, representative sensing or measuring of it. To exercise conscious capacity to compartmentalize perspectives is to simultaneously implicate mathematical operations. Such sensing or measuring may be conceptualized as an expression of “Consciousness” (whatever that is).
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LOGIC AND MATH DEMONSTRATE whether a particular or compartmentalized form should be considered to have emerged derivative of will, choice, causation, determination, randomness, or pre-determination. However, any such demonstration cannot be made in perfect proof. An event or manifestation, in itself, cannot be said to have arisen purely in respect of choice, randomness, or pre-determination. Rather, proof regarding any particular event may be made, if at all, only relative to purpose and perspective.
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Regardless, for moral and inspirational purposes, it seems not inapposite to consider such (universal) “Consciousness” as being “God.” Even so, we can hardly “know” in any sense of completeness, consistency, or coherence what may be God’s ultimate (or even particular or compartmental) purposes or interests. Yet, we can humbly “listen” or intuit, as best we are able, to try to be receptive or consistent with higher moral guidance.
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That alone (without need for literalistic or oppressive religion) may carry socializing implications, with regard to human and moral ambiguity, uncertainty, humility, insight, appreciation, dignity, freedom, initiative, creativity, civility, empathy, communication, and community (as opposed to purely socialistic BORG-DOM, dictatorial FASCISM, or stiflingly intrusive SHARIA), i.e., qualities necessary for meaningful, decent civilization to flourish, communicably.
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"The Horsemen" (Dawkins, Dennett, Hitchens, and Harris) seem to disdain the uncertainty and ambiguity of value-belief-systems based on religious or spiritual metaphors, as if our "physical" existence were not permeated through and through with uncertain metaphors, and as if their own value-belief-systems were not similarly challenged.
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“GOD’S” AWESOMENESS: Whatever the implicated Source, as "Consciousness," IT is something beyond physical representation, which has capacity, by “idealizing” nothing more than mathematical functions, to compartmentalize and leverage all that presents (in symmetry and broken symmetry) to our sensation, memory, and conceptualization.
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Regardless, it would be absurdly without point for any of us to express capacity in our universe for the compartmentalizing of perspective were there no other or similarly compartmentalized perspective with which to sense, interact, empathize, or communicate.
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Although "supernatural dancing" is beyond physical measurement, it is not beyond existentially intuitive empathy. That is, I am unconcerned that the concept lacks pertinence to physics; I am instead concerned that the concept has, I believe, pertinence to deeper morality and meaningfulness.
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Regardless, I believe the story of supernatural dancing is a never-ending one.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Regarding Nothingness and Institute Of Non-Existence — see http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/13/arts/television/13hoax.html?em.

Anonymous said...

Liberty or Wimpery?

Social Leftists are wonderers, lost in the grip of their own chosen vise or paradox. With one side of their artificial vise grip, they proclaim that absolute determination of the morality of any concern is completely beyond objective or empirical verification, and, therefore (non-sequitur), completely without relevant value. With the other side of their self-vise, they herald the scientific method as savior-sufficient to lead us to “move on,” beyond old, sacred metaphors and values.

So, which is it: Are moral values irrelevant, or are we on the scent of better, newer values? Have social Leftists (i.e., Blueblood Republicans, Libertarians, Democrats, Liberals, and Libertines), as headless chickens, lost their heads in their own vise? Like chickens, have they been reduced by conditioning of media and academia to be easily led by any Big Government Controlling Demagogue with access to enough chicken feed (i.e., Mainstream Media Ministry of Truth)?

Suppose, instead of throwing tantrums because we are required to engage (our subjective free will) in moral choices, and instead of adolescently being unwilling to settle for anything less than a complete, perfect, and comforting explanation (or hijacking?) of the Mind of God, we instead listened receptively, using our God-given intuition to appreciate our history of experience. Then, ask: For offering freedom, dignity, autonomy, self-expression, self reliance, and pursuit of happiness, which nation’s fundamental values have served better than those of America? Ask: What have been the essential, sustaining values of America? Ask: Are we really ready to toss those values out? In trade for … what?

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Patterns, such as for fads and values, compete, morph, evolve, and emerge. For a nation, the concern with patterns pertains not to whether mores and values should be cultivated, because VALUES WILL BE CULTIVATED. Rather, the concern pertains to how to cultivate the values we wish to engage.

Presently, we have social competition among (a) traditional family values, (b) governmentally sponsored (political correct, secular, or sharia) values, and (c) anarchic (anything goes) “values.” If social conservatives surrender on the issue of social values, the issue will not vanish. Rather, the issue will morph, to governmentally induced (often dictated) values.

Libertines are sorely misguided Pinocchio’s to expect that resisting family-based standards will further their “rights” to engage in “anything goes” behavior. And, Secular Humanists are misguided to expect that savaging Christianity will save them from Islamofascism.

No doubt, standards will change, but newly intrusive standards will simply and promptly fill any moral vacuum. Libertines are not unlike children, running from the embrace of their parents into the embrace of Big Government Intrusive Dictate.

After all, “it takes a village.” So, liberty-defilers (Leftists and fellow Jihadists) are urged, essentially, to “jihad in your face.” And Big Dictate knows best (at least, for the responsibility-surrendering, weak-minded, heavily-conditioned, and corrupt).

Bottom line: Will autonomous lovers of liberty wimp out, in surrender to secular Borg-dom and/or Dhimminitude?

Anonymous said...

Comment by Dlanor, at http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/orwells_children.html:

This article hits a nerve: That being “a-religious” tends to be not the case, especially upon focusing not so much on the word “God,” but on what the word represents.

When educated Christians use the term “God,” context tends to implicate respect for empathy, civility, dignity, and freely choosing to come to serve such purposes as one may think “good” (often in the sense of WWGD).

When Theosophobes (blind to metaphor ) use the term, context tends to be burdened with: anti-religious disgust for any fundamental literalism that is at odds with empiricism; hatred for any force that impedes primitive hedonism; and full speed ahead, anarchic trashing of traditional family values.

When Islamofascists use the term, context tends to implicate fevered militancy against any force that impedes grossly intrusive social paranoia and regulation of all human physical and mental intercourse.

When Liberal Fascists use the term, context tends to implicate religiously fevered militancy against any force that impedes Big Brother Governance.

One may first consider whether civilization should foster empathy and freedom (Christianity), or gross hedonism (Theosophobia), or complete submission of mind and freedom to the security of social strait jackets (Islamofascism), or complete surrender of liberty to the security of Big Brother (Liberal Fascism).

Having made one’s choice, one may better find “God.” Regardless, renouncing fealty to all Source(s) of values is not an option. Sucking values out of a society will not yield a moral vacuum. Rather, the expected vacuum (or anarchy) will be filled quite promptly --- often with something few would want, had they vision.

Failing to establish one's connection with "God" tends to be not an option.

Choose well.

Anonymous said...

MORAL SIGNIFICANCE OF INDIVIDUAL PERSON:

Re: Fantastic Trip:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/201894/Fantastic-Trip;
http://www.guy-sports.com/humor/videos/fantastic_trip.htm
Size of universe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRShNgSVbM
Smallness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zF-BsGO62Pw

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The comic penguin, Opus, devoted a Sunday spread to this, about 5 months ago.

So --- well, yes, significance is a matter of perspective.

And, our individual perspectives seem, individually, insignificant.
But, the Sponsoring Source (which seems to have power to leverage algorithms) is not.

And that is the Source into which we are all, quite soon, subsumed.

For that Source, that we take such path need neither be insignificant nor un-worthwhile.

Or, so it seems to me --- even though I suspect the limits of our universe are themselves only a needle in a haystack of haystacks of haystacks of other algorithmically leveraged universes.

BTW: Everything you have perceived in your life was recorded on something like a two by two inch section near the back of your head. When you look into space, across millions of miles, all that picture that you experience is recorded in a small spot inside your head. And that is all you "really" perceive --- what is recorded in that small space.

See --- Illusion of physicality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnvM_YAwX4I;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG9FO7JGWq4.

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Brain wiring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ3401XVYww
Elohim(?): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCkCMcEs5dw
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Causation --- see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45LuPQUUEAI
Thinkingness --- see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBfGKGgd4pw
Hawking --- see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjBIsp8mS-c

Anonymous said...

Comment by Dlanor, at http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/kathleen-parker-and-the-oogedy-boogedy-blues/#comment-157510:

Oogedy-boogedy?

What about the "Black Liberation Theology" Obama listened to for more than 20 years? Did it not advocate the killing of any God inconsistent with Black values?

BTW, much of Christian theology is based on parables, metaphors, models --- as interpreted and made relevant to the context of one's life. Christians tend to be humbly receptive about praying to God for guidance, not for kool-aid or proof.

But, in all humility, what is Kathleen's favored flavor of kool-aid?

Kathleen, grow up. Please.

Anonymous said...

Snakes Among Conservatives:

To be anything, a thing needs to have defining features. For example, “America” is a country of boundaries that are physical, political, moral, and aspirational. “Conservatives,” wishing to conserve America, defend borders, restrict in-comers to legal immigrants, extol an informed electorate, promote family values, and fight for individual liberty. International “Socialists,” wishing to see America torn to bits and fed to ravening primatives, defend no borders, advocate “rights” to cross borders, whip up, mislead, and indoctrinate electorates, cede responsibility for rearing children to the State, and seek the security of mobs of protesters.

So, many Conservatives, out of sense of human morality: oppose blanket amnesty for invaders; detest the enabling of voter fraud; want State’s to decide how to regulate abortions; defend the authority of parents; and do not seek to undermine efforts to conduct the nation’s defense.

Faux (elite?) Conservatives, while denigrating homage to any basis for morality as “oogedy boogedy,” mock such concerns and values, even going so far as to argue, illogically (albeit in cutesy language), that Conservatives reduce their electoral power by actually standing for such things.

And so, this last election cycle, we ran a “Republican” who actually acceded to most arguments of faux conservatives. Problem: Democrats already own the monopoly on voters who lack moral values (i.e., unwillingness to defend partially born babies, unwillingness to defend borders, willingness to gather in groups in order to expropriate the production of others).

A Republican cannot defeat a Democrat by trying to out-do the trashing of moral values. (Well, duh!)

Modern Democrats (and faux conservatives) spend little time discussing moral values, except to ridicule values of Conservatives. Values of Democrats are not moral, but selfish. Yet, Orwellian Democrats take taxing others in order to vote for handouts for themselves as “unselfish.” Remarkable! Democrats: give less to charities; want government to take from workers to redistribute to layabouts; want or claim “rights” and entitlements to free health care, free college education, and free equality in income (i.e., “free lunch”). When Conservatives advocate the contrary, faux conservatives (spineless snakes) spit poison in our eyes and complain of splitting and losing the base.

But nothing could be more fork-tongued. One does not defeat the free-lunch crowd by joining them. One defeats them by joining with the non-free-lunch crowd. Ayn Rand may have been a one trick pony, but at least she knew that much.

Anonymous said...

Comment by Dlanor, at http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/mein_kampus.html:

Kerem Oner ("we have too many so called RINOs masquareding as conservatives"):

Yes!

Stand for true principles. When they are unpopular, educate the opposition. Don't pander! Don't pander on the border. Don't pander on liberal judges. Don't pander to Rino's. Now that the record is clear (liberals were far more racist in their running and voting than conservatives), use the record to educate and recruit conservative Hispanics, Blacks, Jews, Catholics, and Women.

Begin a conservative coalition. Attack and expose socialist lies. Confront market destroying pirates. Educate to the value and importance of a strong, defensible America. Learn and teach how and when to say no, rather than how to lie and pander. Awaken. Call the media whoredom what it is! Call on Americans to reclaim the spirit of America.

Those who gave blood to give us the colors of the American flag did not run, and we owe the same duty to our coming generations. Burn the "for sale" sign of the globalists. Or run it up their behinds. Engage the world as America --- not as equally homogenized mush.

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Comment by Dlanor, at http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/mein_kampus.html:

Karen H ("Okay, we always hear that campuses are so liberal and that professors and so far left, but WHY are they like this? Why are all these educated, articulate people like this? Why does it seem the higher the education, the more left one is?"):

Education equips your mind to think; conditioning equips your mind to regurgitate. You are confusing education with conditioning. College conditioning is being funded and advanced by powerful forces. ("Luke, look to the force.")

The basis for real hope is that many American students remain basically energetic and smart enough to appreciate the USA. Many eventually come around. The challenge is to afford opportunity to expedite that process, so that the new generation can save the old (i.e., mind dead boomers).

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Tom Paine,

Well, Churchill (like your nom de plume, another Englishman, although half American) had this to say:

http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/churchill-hour.htm

I spoke the other day of the colossal military disaster which occurred when the French High Command failed to withdraw the northern Armies from Belgium at the moment when they knew that the French front was decisively broken at Sedan and on the Meuse. This delay entailed the loss of fifteen or sixteen French divisions and threw out of action for the critical period the whole of the British Expeditionary Force.

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Of this I am quite sure, that if we open a quarrel between the past and the present, we shall find that we have lost the future.

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Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour.'

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http://www.presentationhelper.co.uk/winston_churchill_speech_fight_them_on_beaches.htm:

we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender

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So, let’s not kid ourselves. We have some advantage in respect of foresight based on history. Our young people have been only temporarily waylaid; many remain steeped in the American spirit and are far from stupid. Far too many love liberty for the USA to go down without a fight. One on one, socialists are cowards. Push come to shove, among fighters, conservatives are the strongest tribe. Because conservatives live here also, we know the terrain at least as well as the socialists. And, we ARE organizing. A sleeping giant will re-awaken.

NOMAD said...

OK, I was curious, may-be I am not allowed to post, (you still can remove my post) if you prefer that your place remain a soliloquy

about your title,"The intellectual Samurai", I have seen the both versions, american and japanese

7 Samurai Rashomon

I think that this writer will also interest you :

Mishima

it's the same spirit

though he committed Seppuku

Anonymous said...

Comment by Dlanor, at http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/11/mormons_under_fire_in_californ.html:

Alinsky style Marxism 101 must teach that the expression of any opinion that deviates from the official party line for politically correct leftism must be motivated by ignorance, prejudice, hatred, racism, or all of the above, and should be shouted down by any and all means necessary.

So, Mormons cannot disagree with government approved or sponsored Gay marriage out of concern for untoward effects for expanding entitlements against citizens and taxpayers.

Mormons cannot legitimately be concerned with society’s need, to sustain itself, to favor traditional family relationships and authority. Mormons cannot legitimately be concerned with the Gay agenda for expanding tax favored entitlements for Gay families, Gay polygamy, Gay adoption, and the train of rainbow coalition entitlements waiting to move up from the caboose.

Mormons cannot legitimately be concerned that the same arguments for government recognized and enforced rights and entitlements being advanced by Gays are virtually indistinguishable in any principled way from the arguments that will subsequently be advanced by polygamists, brothers wishing to marry sisters, hedonists wishing the right to pleasure themselves in public with beasts, predators wishing to have marriages with children (when consummated in foreign countries) become approved for U.S. recognition.

Mormons cannot legitimately be concerned with the effects on their children of public justifications and displays of libertine depravities. Mormons cannot legitimately be concerned that Gay advocates must continuously recruit young new partners, which is made easier with public approval and “education.”

Mormons cannot legitimately be concerned that the life span for Gay practitioners and recruits tends to be substantially less than the norm.

No, the only reason Mormons oppose the government’s recognition of Gay marriage is out of hateful bigotry. Didn’t you know that?

For Gay activists, Mormons are proxies for all other Christians, who are proxies for Muslims. This is because Gays are scared stiff to confront Muslims directly. Somehow, they have it in their little minds that shouting down Christianity must inevitably lead to the discrediting of all religions.

First, Social Anarchists come for the Mormons. Then, the other Christians. Then, they advance the rest of the hedonistic rainbow coalition. Then, there is utopia. Because, after all, “no one is hurting anyone.” And civilization flickers out. But that is good, because, around the anarchy to come, there will be built a perfect society --- from the ground up.

Presently, what percentage of our modern media, academia, and electorate has bought into this Gay agenda? What percentage lacks intelligence to see where it quickly leads?

A respectable judge should run these people off with fire hoses. But, given today’s environment, what judge has the guts? And, these people will see to it that their case is brought before no such a judge.

So, Courts will be slow to help any, if at all. Media will run interference for the Gay agenda. Academia will display less in guts than the Courts. Student agitators and useful idiots will fall for the simpleton slogan, “they’re not hurting anybody.”

God may help us, if more of us unite and look in respect to God. If not, woe is us.

Anonymous said...

Comment by Dlanor, at http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/false_pride_and_the_liberal_im.html:

David Fuhs,

Do you supoose Obama plays the part of malignant narcissist to Soros, his superior psychopath?

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Ranger Joe,

Thanks for the reference to Max Planck. I checked out some sites, at http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10298, and http://www.angelfire.com/folk/infidel/MaxPlanck.html, and http://www.brethrenassembly.com/Ebooks/NobelPr.pdf.

Some cursory second-guessers on some of those sites were prone to denigrate Planck, rather too quickly and arrogantly, I think.

One says “he [Planck] had not found support in mathematics”. Perhaps, but I suspect Planck intuited support in mathematics. I would be slow in conceiting to discount Planck’s intuition. I rather suspect Planck intuited a God-connection that is deeper, less confined, and not so one-on-one restricted as to coordinate only with perimeters or parameters of our skins.

Some, in FALSE PRIDE, seem too quick to use “either-or” logic to project to Planck a shallow interpretation of “miracles.” But, I see no logical or scientific reason to believe nature should preclude us from intuiting the “hand of God” as directing or synchronizing much of what we can only measure as “random.”

Apart from Mind of God, what in nature offers a better candidate, for imbuing us with enlightened purposefulness, empathy, remorse, or morality? To posit an “altruistic gene” is not to grasp the answer, but merely to push the inquiry further back, to ask: Why, then, should conditions avail for advantaging a gene of altruism? After all, a “gene for psychopathy” seems quite useful for many leaders.

Regardless, what matters it to us, empirically, whether “physics” “really” manifests in respect of Mind-of-God or in respect of some ubiquitous Metaphysical-Particle-In-Itself? Either way, empiricists’ “ultimate explanation,” punting only to “nature,” remains beset by the metaphysical.

I rather liked this of Planck: “All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force... We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.”

Personally, I suspect (or believe) Mind of God, by “thinking in mathematical functions,” is the superior mix from which all our measurable physics is derived. And that, perhaps by definition, is beyond empirical proof, but not beyond mathematical intuition.

Again, thanks for the references!

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Max Planck and the Mind of God:

See http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=10298:

Quotes by Max Planck:

Religion belongs to that realm that is inviolable before the law of causation and therefore is closed to science.

The history of all times and nations teaches us that exactly in the naïve, unshakable belief, furnished by religion in active life of believers, originate the most intense motives for the most significant creative performance, not only in the field of arts and sciences but also in politics.

Under these conditions it is no wonder, that the movement of atheists (Gottlosenbewegung), which declares religion to be just a deliberate illusion, invented by power-seeking priests, and which has for the pious belief in a higher power nothing but words of mockery, eagerly makes use of progressive scientific knowledge and in a presumed unity with it, expands in an ever-faster pace its disintegrating action on all nations of the earth and on all social levels. I do not need to explain in any more detail that after its victory not only all the most precious treasures of our culture would vanish, but -- which is even worse -- also any prospects at a better future.

All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force... We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.

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See http://www.angelfire.com/folk/infidel/MaxPlanck.html:
Planck evidently understands the notion of god philosophically, not theologically.
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There is no better defense against such peril than to realize that religious symbol ... does never represent an absolute value but is always only a more or less imperfect reference to something higher which is not directly accessible to our senses.
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When the genius of Max Planck flung himself to simplification in explaining the essence of religion and its diversity – because that is the topic of previous paragraphs – he had not found support in mathematics and that is why, as it seems to me, he simplified the situation excessively.
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The one who takes his religion really seriously and cannot tolerate that it gets into contradiction with his knowledge (Wissen), is facing the question of conscience whether he can still honestly consider himself to be a member of religious community which in its confession (Bekenntnis) contains belief in miracles.
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So that believing scientists, if you agree with Planck, you should decide whether you will believe in miracles and will thus be excluded from the community of people "educated at least slightly in natural sciences", or you will not believe in them any more and you will not believe in resurrection of Christ either.
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Summarizing we can say that physical science requires an assumption of a real world independent of us, which we, however, never know directly but always only through the spectacles of perceptions of our senses and with the help of measurements mediated by them. (S. 19)
The undoubtable result of physical research consists in that elementary building elements of the world do not occur in isolated groups, lacking mutual relations, but they are all connected according to a uniform plan, or in other words, that in all natural processes a universal, to a certain extent knowable, regularity (Gesetzlichkeit) rules. (S. 20)
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Actually, the principle of the least action introduces into the notion of causality a new idea: causa efficiens, the cause which acts from the present into the future and due to which the later events look like conditioned by the earlier ones, is supplemented by causa finalis which, on the contrary, makes future, the desired goal, a precondition and from this it derives the course of processes leading to that goal. (S. 24)
... theoretical physical research has led in its historical evolution strikingly to formulation of physical laws which have definitely teleological character (S. 25)
In any case, we can say in summarizing, that according to what exact sciences teach us, the whole nature ... is governed by certain laws, which are independent of the existence of thinking humanity, but which nevertheless ... admit formulation which corresponds to a purposeful behavior. This then represents a rational world order (vernünftige Weltordnung), to which nature and mankind is subject, the actual essence of which is, and will remain unknowable for us, since we learn about it only by means of our specific sense perceptions (S. 25) ... Really rich results of scientific research, however, entitle our belief in ... steady deepening of our outlooks into the reign of allmighty reason (allmächtigen Vernunft) ruling over the nature. (S. 26)
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I would denote the vocabulary of those last paragraphs as careless. The author just proclaims the majority of his statements and gives no precise meaning to the notions he uses. He claims e. g that there is no contradiction between religion and science. Of course, if we identify god with natural laws and forbid him to do miracles, then we actually cannot expect any great contradiction. This statement could be much better understood in the sense that science and religion treat so disparate topics that they even cannot get into any contradiction perhaps as the history of ancient Rome cannot contradict the zoology of Amazon basin since they do not have a single object in common. But the statement that "they complement and condition each other" can nobody take for serious without hesitation. Mutual conditioning means that one cannot exist without the other. I could ironically concede that religion needs science in the sense that priests need television to transmit their masses and the television could not appear without the knowledge of properties of electromagnetic field, but I cannot imagine what could science need religion for.
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I have one essential objection against the whole lecture: the author was changing the contents of the title notion of religion in relatively broad span according to what just suited him. He began by characterizing religion as a bond of man to god, he warned listeners before the horrible fate facing the society without religion, but immediately he declared quite possible that god lives only in souls of believers. Then he expelled from religion the belief in miracles, pronounced god identical with natural laws and at last he ascribed god even the attributes of good and love. By this loose use of the fundamental notion of the religion he demonstrated that he has not even defined it unambiguously, which is rather unusual for a scientist.
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This lecture of Planck makes me deeply sad. The renowned theoretical physicist, who – among others – devised brilliant hypothesis about quantization of radiation emitted by a black body and so buried the "ultraviolet catastrophe" of James Jeans, humbles himself here for unknown reasons to the level of a country bumpkin whose brain is able to digest the single philosophical sapience: "god exists".
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The second possibility is that he felt the need to face the increasing inhumanity of Nazism and therefore he reached for an equivalent of morality understandable for the common people: religion, god.

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See http://www.brethrenassembly.com/Ebooks/NobelPr.pdf:
3. In his article Scientific and Religious Truth (1973) Heisenberg affirmed:
“In the history of science, ever since the famous trial of Galileo, it has repeatedly been
claimed that scientific truth cannot be reconciled with the religious interpretation of the
world. Although I am now convinced that scientific truth is unassailable in its own field, I
have never found it possible to dismiss the content of religious thinking as simply part of an
outmoded phase in the consciousness of mankind, a part we shall have to give up from now
on. Thus in the course of my life I have repeatedly been compelled to ponder on the relationship
of these two regions of thought, for I have never been able to doubt the reality of that to
which they point.” (Heisenberg 1974, 213).
4. “Where no guiding ideals are left to point the way, the scale of values disappears and with
it the meaning of our deeds and sufferings, and at the end can lie only negation and despair.
Religion is therefore the foundation of ethics, and ethics the presupposition of life.” (Heisenberg
1974, 219).

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CHARLES TOWNES – NOBEL LAUREATE IN PHYSICS:
2. “Science, with its experiments and logic, tries to understand the order or structure of the
universe. Religion, with its theological inspiration and reflection, tries to understand the
purpose or meaning of the universe. These two are cross-related. Purpose implies structure,
and structure ought somehow to be interpretable in terms of purpose.

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IRREDUCIBLE COMPLEXITY:
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee_i_j1U6ic.

Fibonacci in Lateralus:
See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS7CZIJVxFY&feature=related.

Anonymous said...

Why We Experience Good And Evil:

In God’s domain, infinity and eternity reduce physics to pure math, to the entertainment of God’s Consciousness.

In the domainof mortals, we may have direct intuition of God’s ever presence, grace, and empathy.

We may experience ourselves as living, willing perspectives of God’s Consciousness.

Physical expressions of good and evil result as our Perspectives of Will are put to contest among various competing and cooperating algorithmic functions and layers of math.

Some functions of math tend in various niches to nourish expressions of evil, and some of good.

There is a powerful function of math at work, which tends to imprison and challenge Will for free thinking.

However, imprisonment is not eternal, and Will eventually “learns” how to overcome and reduce functions that imprison it.

Even so, the challenge of newly morphing functions continues to proceed, in infinite progression.

In each case, our reasonable expectation is eventually to overcome and reduce each consecutive challenge of evil.

Thus, Evil presents us (in our changing morphologies) with an infinity of challenges, while God trumps to present us with an eternity of time.

Always, God is present to help us carry on the struggle.

Anonymous said...

If physics, space, and time do not really exist, in themselves, except as illusions derivative of Something Else, then what is that Synchronizing Source (God?), in respect of which a common illusion is presented to us that we have sequenced ("evolved") out of space and time into existential Consciousness?

Anonymous said...

Comment at http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/worshipping_the_weather.html:

Laughing Man ("worshiping the Earth makes more sense than most. We are here in fact because it exists, and without it we die"):

Earth is constantly changing, absorbing meteorites, cosmic rays, subducting and erupting lava, facilitating new viruses, bacteria, bugs, technologies. In the not so distant future, challenges to earth will overwhelm human forms of intelligent consciousness. That is, if consciousness does not stay ahead of the curveballs that will challenge it.

Paganism did not usher us to nearly the explosion in intelligence as did Monotheism, particularly Christianity. If you define "sense" as unintelligent stasis, be happy with your Paganism. I prefer to think of "sense" as entailing a dance with a higher, pushing Consciousness, in ever-pursuit of new perspectives of meaning. The destiny of sense-consciousness is the stars --- and beyond. But you can get back to your dirt. Ho ho!